Lance Lynn

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, tray said:

DFA Lynn and try ReyLo as the 5th starter while searching on the scrap heap for a replacement. Lynn is not going to work his way into playing condition this season and that should have been determined prior to or during Spring Training. Lynn lacks balance on the mound. He falls off the rubber after pitches and does not hit the spots where he is supposed to throw.  He's toast. An almost guaranteed L every time his spot comes up in the rotation.

ReyLo is gone after this season, regardless.

Point 2, he would take 4-6 weeks to ramp up to starting in the middle of the season.  His arm just hasn't been conditioned for that type of activity over the last couple of years.  Another team might sign him and reconvert him back to starting, but that would take an entire offseason to prepare for.

Point 3, any plan for Reynaldo should be aimed towards maximizing whatever remaining value he possesses as an UFA heading into this upcoming offseason...and building the future rotation of the White Sox around Cease and Kopech, at least for the next 2-3 seasons.

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

ReyLo is gone after this season, regardless.

Point 2, he would take 4-6 weeks to ramp up to starting in the middle of the season.  His arm just hasn't been conditioned for that type of activity over the last couple of years.  Another team might sign him and reconvert him back to starting, but that would take an entire offseason to prepare for.

Point 3, any plan for Reynaldo should be aimed towards maximizing whatever remaining value he possesses as an UFA heading into this upcoming offseason...and building the future rotation of the White Sox around Cease and Kopech, at least for the next 2-3 seasons.

Cease and Kopech have 2 years of control remaining after this one. There is no “next 3 years” for them.

[tray]

chitowonsportsfan:

Why do you think DFAing Lynn is funny? Well OK, let's see if your attitude changes after a few more Lynn starts against .500 + teams.

[caulfield12]

Just now, Balta1701 said:

Cease and Kopech have 2 years of control remaining after this one. There is no “next 3 years” for them.

Fine, then there's no point keeping them either....because any "retool" is not going to be sufficient to replace three starting pitchers when they have absolutely zero ready to go internally...they're completely unwilling to pay top dollar dollar in FA and their payroll is rumored to be declining quite dramatically with the old "blame the fanbase/low attendance" canard.

[Rusty_Kuntz]

4 hours ago, Jerry McNertney said:

Lynn has turned into 275 pounds of glue.

Last time he saw 275 was about 2018.

 

[Balta1701]

26 minutes ago, Capn12 said:

Not sure anyone is in the market for a 36 year old starting pitcher with no regard for his health and upkeep, who also can't get guys out currently, and is making 18.5 mil this season.

 

I'm also pretty sure Lynn's salary in 2024 will be 1 million, because he'll be shitcanned off of any MLB roster.

Lynn is like several guys on this roster, you will want to move them while saving as much as possible, and if that’s $1 million by a team that is desperate for a 6th starter or who is willing to try him in the bullpen, that’s $1 million you save. 

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Fine, then there's no point keeping them either....because any "retool" is not going to be sufficient to replace three starting pitchers when they have absolutely zero ready to go internally...they're completely unwilling to pay top dollar dollar in FA and their payroll is rumored to be declining quite dramatically with the old "blame the fanbase/low attendance" canard.

Neither Cease nor Kopech is really worth moving to my eyes right now, barring them getting on a big roll in June and July. They’re just not performing well enough to produce a strong return. Hold onto them and hope that with a new pitching coach at least one of them has better results in the 2nd half or next year, making them movable for real value.

[caulfield12]

9 minutes ago, tray said:

chitowonsportsfan:

Why do you think DFAing Lynn is funny? Well OK, let's see if your attitude changes after a few more Lynn starts against .500 + teams.

They might not even have the money in their coffers to pay off the rest of his contract and buyout all at one time, lol.

In all seriousness, let's say they did DFA Lynn to "teach him a lesson," and the rest of the team as well.

All these players leaving the team are getting massive amounts of money...and freedom to play for any team they want upon leaving Chicago.  Surely, he would go to a team like the Cardinals, just like Aaron Hicks of the Yankees has already found a home despite his terrible hitting numbers for going on 3 seasons now.

 

Do we really believe that the likes of Scholtens and a rehabbing Martin (off TJS) are going to be two key pitchers to build around?

We have a few guys like Cannon and Mena and Thompson...along with last year's first rounder and Norge Vera, but the system's still basically pretty barren.
 

MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE one of those seven guys actually makes it.  Two would be a minor miracle.  But, as Balta noted, you're going to turn around and have to trade Cease and Kopech in the next two seasons as well or risk getting nothing back for them, too.

They're between a rock and a hard place.

 

Of course, because they have too many simultaneous roster holes, they're inevitably going to end up drafting for MLB roster need in order to "retool" and not ever really consider the best pick for the long-term, 5-10 years out, future of the franchise...meaning more high/higher ceiling prep players.

Edited June 1, 2023 by caulfield12

[TheBooneLoganEra]

2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

I only caught a few innings today, but I would have loved to have seen clips of Yoan pounding Lance Lynn's face to the point he'd have to breathe through a tube into next year before the swelling got to the point where doctors could perform reconstructive face surgery.

Yikes....to be fair that'd be far more effort from Yoan than we've seen this year. 

[Lip Man 1]

43 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

Yikes....to be fair that'd be far more effort from Yoan than we've seen this year. 

Well played sir. Moncada would probably pull a groin or something while doing it!

[elrockinMT]

Lynn was 3-0 coming in to this game. Very sad performance for sure, but he probably will rebound in his next start 

[Tony]

5 minutes ago, elrockinMT said:

Lynn was 3-0 coming in to this game. Very sad performance for sure, but he probably will rebound in his next start 

He was 4-5 with a 5.83 ERA. 

[South Side Hit Men]

54 minutes ago, elrockinMT said:

Lynn was 3-0 coming in to this game. Very sad performance for sure, but he probably will rebound in his next start 

He faced Cleveland and Kansas City at home, Sox scored 12 against a LHS for his win at Detroit.

His future matchups through the All Star Break are not favorable.

• 6/7 at New York A. L.
• 6/13 at Los Angeles N. L.
• 6/18 at Seattle
• 6/24 vs. Boston
• 6/29 at Los Angeles A. L.
• 7/5 vs. Toronto

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Tony said:

He was 4-5 with a 5.83 ERA. 

1.89 ERA last 3

But look at the competition that he was facing...three of the AL Central offenses (not including the Sox) are pretty hideous/atrocious.

[joejoesox]

Their farm system is SO damn void of difference makers, that we all need to start realizing that there's only one way to possibly turn this team around (and it isn't a quick fix, they're gonna be bad for the next few years): you gotta trade everyone with value and just start over, that means guys like Cease and Robert, and possibly even Eloy now that he's producing. Gotta blow this s%*# up

Hahn choosing to wait til the end of July is gonna be a mistake

[soxrwhite]

Seems as though he hasn't been the same since he signed his extension or maybe since the knee injury. It was risky giving him so much money at his age and his physical condition or lack of conditioning. He started strong for them and of course hindsight is 20/20.

This is one guy who did better under LaRussa. The father figure during his early career. I liked the signing when they did it. I didn't like the extension so soon. He is not the same player the White Sox originally signed only 2 years ago. 

[joejoesox]

8 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

He faced Cleveland and Kansas City at home, Sox scored 12 against a LHS for his win at Detroit.

His future matchups through the All Star Break are not favorable.

• 6/7 at New York A. L.
• 6/13 at Los Angeles N. L.
• 6/18 at Seattle
• 6/24 vs. Boston
• 6/29 at Los Angeles A. L.
• 7/5 vs. Toronto

You could argue he loses all 6 of those games in emphatic fashion. 

[The Kids Can Play]

12 hours ago, Dan Pasqua said:

It could be worse, we could've kept DD.  ?

Yeah and our pitching coach would have never gotten the true potential out of Dunning like Texas will. ?

[South Side Hit Men]

31 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

You could argue he loses all 6 of those games in emphatic fashion. 

Lynn needs to wear it. Leave him in 5-6 innings each game, even if he gives up 10 runs a game for the rest of the season, or until he hits the IL for the third straight season. No need to waste the bullpen. leave them for the four other games through the rotation the Sox have a chance.

Lynn is always quick to point at other players on the field, blaming teammates and third base coaches just like Dallas Keuchel. At least Dallas didn't cost the Sox one of the few solid pitching prospects over the past decade. Speaking of the other one, Hahn doesn't offer Carlos Rodon a QO, but pays these two on their final MLB deals $100M and doubled down on the Kimbrel debacle. 

 

[Boopa1219]

22 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

We are talking about a 36 year pitcher that is starting to decline quickly. Some pitchers still can be effective at 36, but those are the ones that stay in great shape as they get older.

Lynn's other problem is he never really developed other solid secondary pitches and relied too much on his fastball. Now as he got older and lost velocity, as well as the accuracy to locate his FB, you see why he is getting hit so hard.

The last two years of Lynn being on the Sox, he had a WHIP of 1.07 in 2021 and 1.14 in 2022. This year after today his WHIP is 1.51. Of the 70 qualified starting pitchers in MLB with at least 10 starts, Lynn is 67th. 

The worst part is, Lynn is the highest paid player on the Sox at 18.5 million. The Sox have a club option on him for 2024, which is either exercise the 1 million dollar team buyout or pay the man 18 million at 37 years old. Then you have to hope by the trade deadline in 2024, you can move him before he becomes an UFA in 2025. Good luck on that!

 

 

No chance in hell they’re picking that option up

[T R U]

Are there really people in here trying to sugar coat Lynn's season so far? Gimme a break.

[MiddleCoastBias]

Why do people think he's a tradeable asset? Who would want to take him on?

He's pitched worse than Keuchel did when he got DFA'd, and yet some people still think we can trade him. I don't get it.

[greg775]

22 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

and building the future rotation of the White Sox around Cease and Kopech, at least for the next 2-3 seasons.

As much as I despise modern baseball, the Sox need to embrace the fact they'll never have a collection of pitchers who can effectively go more than 4 innings. So start the system in which you have a large pool of pitchers taking turns going 3 innings max at a time. Folks, what does 'build a future rotation" mean nowadays when guys can only go 5 max. You're gonna have to give in to 3-inning mound work day in and out. Seriously ... is anybody confident the White Sox can build a "future rotation?" i say no way. Arms are too brittle and pitchers too lousy.

Edited June 1, 2023 by greg775

[South Side Hit Men]

3 hours ago, Joshua Strong said:

No chance in hell they’re picking that option up

The dumb ass traded for Kimbrel as his best idea.

The dumb ass picked up Kimbrel's option, passed on Rodon's QO.

The dumb ass received one weak ass Kimbrel offer for an even more overpriced reserve OFer.

The dumb ass can absolutely pick up Lynn's option if he somehow strings together a few decent starts against Central s%*# to close the season.

Never underestimate the damage Hahn can and will do to this White Sox organization.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

As much as I despise modern baseball, the Sox need to embrace the fact they'll never have a collection of pitchers who can effectively go more than 4 innings. So start the system in which you have a large pool of pitchers taking turns going 3 innings max at a time. Folks, what does 'build a future rotation" mean nowadays when guys can only go 5 max. You're gonna have to give in to 3-inning mound work day in and out. Seriously ... is anybody confident the White Sox can build a "future rotation?" i say no way. Arms are too brittle and pitchers too lousy.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2023.shtml

Guardians have already had to use 8 starters, with McKenzie still out since Opening Day (#9, and their best starter over Bieber now) and Xzavion Curry #10.

That's what it means to have a future rotation.

And they still have depth behind that in AA/AAA, including their top prospect being injured.

Four rookies used so far just in their rotation.  Bieber will be traded when he gets too expensive...and they will replenish their system yet again, just as they did in past years with Corey Kluber, Carrasco, Bauer, Clevinger, etc.  

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/guardians

Still haven't used Gavin Williams and Daniel Espino (injured), so depth goes all the way down to at least 12 pitchers.

 

That's how they can be more competitive than the White Sox with just ONE member of the starting lineup over an 800 OPS (Jose Ramirez, barely) and the rest ALL under a .700 OPS or the newly-named Benintendi Line.

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by caulfield12