Soxbadger Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The ratings came out for compensation from losing free agents, For the prominent Sox Free Agents, Everrett, Colon, Alomar, Gordon, and Alomar are all A type players which means we will get the most compensation. Valentine is a type B player. I was just wondering if anyone knew the value of these ratings, and if the Sox will recieve them. I remember people saying something about needed to offer a contract... Just thought it was interesting to see that all the Sox are in a position to be compensated very well for losing these players. (Edit here is the link) SI. Com Free Agent Rating SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The ratings came out for compensation from losing free agents, For the prominent Sox Free Agents, Everrett, Colon, Alomar, Gordon, and Alomar are all A type players which means we will get the most compensation. Valentine is a type B player. I was just wondering if anyone knew the value of these ratings, and if the Sox will recieve them. I remember people saying something about needed to offer a contract... Just thought it was interesting to see that all the Sox are in a position to be compensated very well for losing these players. (Edit here is the link) SI. Com Free Agent Rating SB that is GREAT to hear. So basically, if we lose Colon, Alomar, Alomar, and Gordon we will get FOUR compensatory picks in the early rounds of the draft, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 The ratings came out for compensation from losing free agents, For the prominent Sox Free Agents, Everrett, Colon, Alomar, Gordon, and Alomar are all A type players which means we will get the most compensation. Valentine is a type B player. I was just wondering if anyone knew the value of these ratings, and if the Sox will recieve them. I remember people saying something about needed to offer a contract... Just thought it was interesting to see that all the Sox are in a position to be compensated very well for losing these players. (Edit here is the link) SI. Com Free Agent Rating SB that is GREAT to hear. So basically, if we lose Colon, Alomar, Alomar, and Gordon we will get FOUR compensatory picks in the early rounds of the draft, right? They have to be offered arbitration first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 The ratings came out for compensation from losing free agents, For the prominent Sox Free Agents, Everrett, Colon, Alomar, Gordon, and Alomar are all A type players which means we will get the most compensation. Valentine is a type B player. I was just wondering if anyone knew the value of these ratings, and if the Sox will recieve them. I remember people saying something about needed to offer a contract... Just thought it was interesting to see that all the Sox are in a position to be compensated very well for losing these players. (Edit here is the link) SI. Com Free Agent Rating SB that is GREAT to hear. So basically, if we lose Colon, Alomar, Alomar, and Gordon we will get FOUR compensatory picks in the early rounds of the draft, right? They have to be offered arbitration first. Which basically means that we will get draft picks for Colon, Gordon and I guess Sandy Alomar although I can't believe he was a Type A player. I'm gonna assume that was a typo so I'm gonna say Colon and Gordon cause both will be gone and both should be offered arbitration which means if I understand correctly the Sox will get two first rounders. One would be the team who signs them first rounder and then a sandwich pick. If the team that signs him is above the 15th pick (I think) then you get two comp picks. In Jose's case you get a Comp B pick, which I think is the 2nd or 3rd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 looking at that list.... definately the right descision to sign garland now.. He is 2 spots away from becoming an A lister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Gulp! According to the AL rankings the Sox had starting pitchers 3, 9 & 13. Relievers 4 & 17. DH/OF 2, 11, 17 & 23. SS/3B/2B 13, 33 & 35. Catcher 7. How the heck could this team lose 76 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Gulp! According to the AL rankings the Sox had starting pitchers 3, 9 & 13. Relievers 4 & 17. DH/OF 2, 11, 17 & 23. SS/3B/2B 13, 33 & 35. Catcher 7. How the heck could this team lose 76 games? 1) Jerry Manuel 2) Lack of clutch hitting 3) Douple plays (offensively) 4) Overswinging 5) Flat out underachieving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 i think for a free agent A, the sox get a first round pick from the team that signs him, but only if they have a pick (16-28) otherwise if its before 16 the sox would get that teams second round pick and 1 supplimental pick in between the 1st and 2nd round For free agent B, the sox get a first round pick from the team that signed him, but only if they have a pick (16-28) otherwise if its before 16 the sox would get that teams second round pick but the difference is that there is no extra supplimental pick in between the 1st nd 2nd round. By the way i was just wondering if anyone knows what type of free agent Tony G is, i think the sox will sign him...they better...but im just curious???? :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 i think for a free agent A, the sox get a first round pick from the team that signs him, but only if they have a pick (16-28) otherwise if its before 16 the sox would get that teams second round pick and 1 supplimental pick in between the 1st and 2nd round For free agent B, the sox get a first round pick from the team that signed him, but only if they have a pick (16-28) otherwise if its before 16 the sox would get that teams second round pick but the difference is that there is no extra supplimental pick in between the 1st nd 2nd round. By the way i was just wondering if anyone knows what type of free agent Tony G is, i think the sox will sign him...they better...but im just curious???? :fthecubs I doubt he would be anything other then maybe a Type C. I bet he will be back, JR likes him a whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 The ratings came out for compensation from losing free agents, For the prominent Sox Free Agents, Everrett, Colon, Alomar, Gordon, and Alomar are all A type players which means we will get the most compensation. Valentine is a type B player. I was just wondering if anyone knew the value of these ratings, and if the Sox will recieve them. I remember people saying something about needed to offer a contract... Just thought it was interesting to see that all the Sox are in a position to be compensated very well for losing these players. (Edit here is the link) SI. Com Free Agent Rating SB that is GREAT to hear. So basically, if we lose Colon, Alomar, Alomar, and Gordon we will get FOUR compensatory picks in the early rounds of the draft, right? They have to be offered arbitration first. Which basically means that we will get draft picks for Colon, Gordon and I guess Sandy Alomar although I can't believe he was a Type A player. I'm gonna assume that was a typo so I'm gonna say Colon and Gordon cause both will be gone and both should be offered arbitration which means if I understand correctly the Sox will get two first rounders. One would be the team who signs them first rounder and then a sandwich pick. If the team that signs him is above the 15th pick (I think) then you get two comp picks. In Jose's case you get a Comp B pick, which I think is the 2nd or 3rd round. I think the Sox are gonna sign Sandy Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I am going to go out on a limb here and say this. If Sandy Alomar is worth class A compensation, don't resign him. I think what we could get out of a #1 pick, versus the year, maybe two of at most 80 games out of him, I say take the pick. That is even more so if we get a supplemental pick as well. Essentially we would have 3 picks before the second round started, plus picks from guys like Colon, Everett, and Gordon leaving. Heck we could have as many as 10 picks before the beginning of the second round! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I am going to go out on a limb here and say this. If Sandy Alomar is worth class A compensation, don't resign him. I think what we could get out of a #1 pick, versus the year, maybe two of at most 80 games out of him, I say take the pick. That is even more so if we get a supplemental pick as well. Essentially we would have 3 picks before the second round started, plus picks from guys like Colon, Everett, and Gordon leaving. Heck we could have as many as 10 picks before the beginning of the second round! I'll go out on a limb and agree with you. Especially since I think Robbie, as great as he was, is washed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I am going to go out on a limb here and say this. If Sandy Alomar is worth class A compensation, don't resign him. I think what we could get out of a #1 pick, versus the year, maybe two of at most 80 games out of him, I say take the pick. That is even more so if we get a supplemental pick as well. Essentially we would have 3 picks before the second round started, plus picks from guys like Colon, Everett, and Gordon leaving. Heck we could have as many as 10 picks before the beginning of the second round! i also agree with you. At first, i fgured it wouldnt be a bad idea to bring back Sandy for a year or two, but seeing as how we could get 1st round compensation from him, i say let him go. Have River be Olivo's backup. And if Rivera cant handle it, i'm sure you could find a serviceable backup somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 i also agree with you. At first, i fgured it wouldnt be a bad idea to bring back Sandy for a year or two, but seeing as how we could get 1st round compensation from him, i say let him go. Have River be Olivo's backup. And if Rivera cant handle it, i'm sure you could find a serviceable backup somewhere The sad thing is that there are teams that look at Olivo as a servicable backup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 i also agree with you. At first, i fgured it wouldnt be a bad idea to bring back Sandy for a year or two, but seeing as how we could get 1st round compensation from him, i say let him go. Have River be Olivo's backup. And if Rivera cant handle it, i'm sure you could find a serviceable backup somewhere Boys, the problem with your theory is to get compensation for losing Alomar (or any free agent), the Sox must first offer salary arbitration. If the player accepts arbitration rather than signing with another team (deadline in December sometime), then the Sox will be stuck (not the best choice of word) with him and possibly at a higher salary since they will have to go through the arbitration process. So you can't get compensation for a player without some risk. This also reduces the likelihood that the Sox will offer arbitration to Everett or even possibly Robbie Alomar and Gordon, which will mean no compensation for losing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Boys, the problem with your theory is to get compensation for losing Alomar (or any free agent), the Sox must first offer salary arbitration. If the player accepts arbitration rather than signing with another team (deadline in December sometime), then the Sox will be stuck (not the best choice of word) with him and possibly at a higher salary since they will have to go through the arbitration process. So you can't get compensation for a player without some risk. This also reduces the likelihood that the Sox will offer arbitration to Everett or even possibly Robbie Alomar and Gordon, which will mean no compensation for losing them. They might offer Gordon arbitration, knowing that he'll turn it down in favor of a multiyear contract somewhere, since arbitration only results in one year contracts. Even if he accepted arbitration, it's unlikely he'll get a break the bank salary, and KW may think Koch is movable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 The sox may be able to offer everett arbitration since Colon is gone...i have a feeling he will be looking for a multi-year contract but i doubt the sox will. I am willing to say we should offer Robbie Arbitration because he would more than likely want a 2 or 3 year deal somewhere ( and there are teams that want him) and even if he does except arbitraion, he would get probably 4.5 million which is what he would be asking for in a 1year deal with the sox...so they better offer him arbitration. Sandy Alomar probably would except an offer but he would come extremely cheap so that doesnt matter. If colon isnt offered arbitration i would gt extremly pissed and not go to any games cuz its a given that he wont except it and thats basically 2 free draft picks. Gordon is looking for a 2 year deal so he wouldn't except the arbitration but even if he does I don't think the sox would care if he excepts it cuz he would get like 4 million ( max.) Valentin is no given arbitration cuz he would get too much money an would probably except it. I think its gunna be... Colon, Gordon, and robbie ( if he isn't signed ) offered arbitration definatly.. Everett would be offered if the sox know of teams willing to sign him to a multi-year deal....Sandy probably will be signed but offered if the sox and him can't reach a deal, and he would except. Valentin Is a definate no arbitration So I predict 2 players offered and not excepting....2 players offered and excepting.... and 2 players not offered it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Boys, the problem with your theory is to get compensation for losing Alomar (or any free agent), the Sox must first offer salary arbitration. If the player accepts arbitration rather than signing with another team (deadline in December sometime), then the Sox will be stuck (not the best choice of word) with him and possibly at a higher salary since they will have to go through the arbitration process. So you can't get compensation for a player without some risk. This also reduces the likelihood that the Sox will offer arbitration to Everett or even possibly Robbie Alomar and Gordon, which will mean no compensation for losing them. Rex...in regards to Gordon why not offer it. He won't get a huge increase if he wins since he got paid a minimum amount last season. And with Colon you offer it for the same reason. Both players are going to turn it down and if they don't, I think the Sox have no problem bringing them back. They will not offer Roberto or Everett arbitration though caus they could only get a 20% pay cut which would still be well above their value. In the case of Sandy Alomar, I think he'd accept arb and I think the Sox would then negotiate a 1 yr deal worth 700 k or so with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 The trick will be to have these players sign elsewhere before the White Sox have to offer arbitration. Then its a no brainer. But if you offer anyone arbitration, they are going to get a raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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