mmmmmbeeer Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: We absolutely can and should blame Grifol and his coaches for not paying attention. That is why a manager has several coaches in the dugout to advise him. Thanks for agreeing with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Got a hunch that TA is on his way out. Please be true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 41 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Fell asleep early in the game and just woke up now and watched the highlights. My eyes hurt with those fucking 1983 uniforms. Bullpen looks deflated after losing Liam the past two days. Elvis is worse than Seby batting. I don’t see why the Sox not sit Moncada vs. LH starters, Burger playing really helps. That is if an IL stint can’t cure Yoan’s back issues. Im sitting out the Dodgers series between scumbag Stan Kasten and his repulsive bigotry, with a Clevinger start mixed in. I am happy for Kim Ng. Miami has really improved after the Yankees braintrust of Mattingly and Jeter were flushed down the toilet. Should give hope to Sox fans the same can happen here once Jerry’s in a box and the FO is fumigated. Miami: $92M (23rd) 37-29 White Sox: $181M (13th) 29-38 Well Moncada already missed a month on the IL, if his back is still that bad then maybe they should have had surgery back in early April. Hahn said in 80% of the time it's not necessary...but these are the White Sox remember. Good fortune usually laughs in their face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Exactly correct. Nine...make it nine times this team took a lead into the 7th inning or later and lost the game. Nine. Fourth time out of those nine they lost the lead in the 9th inning. Graveman has been directly responsible for two of them (Which considering guys like Kelly and Lopez isn't that bad.) The good news? They can't blow another late lead tomorrow because they are off. That's pretty much the division right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Got a hunch that TA is on his way out. Well ostracizing him is not the best way to get maximum value in return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 2 Sundays ago I was done with these guys with that extra inning loss with Vaughn and Grandal swinging at everything in the dirt. Then they suck me in and have a nice win last Sunday. Today, 2nd late loss in a row by the bullcrap, I mean bullpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, wegner said: 2 Sundays ago I was done with these guys with that extra inning loss with Vaughn and Grandal swinging at everything in the dirt. Then they suck me in and have a nice win last Sunday. Today, 2nd late loss in a row by the bullcrap, I mean bullpen. They simply don't have what it takes to consistently win or put together long winning streaks. Be that lack of talent, injuries, lack of depth, a poor manager...who knows for sure. But the reality is they simply don't have it and would be smart to start selling guys at the deadline for what they can get. It's not going to work again this season and that's the way it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Giolito is probably at his peak trade value right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: They simply don't have what it takes to consistently win or put together long winning streaks. Be that lack of talent, injuries, lack of depth, a poor manager...who knows for sure. But the reality is they simply don't have it and would be smart to start selling guys at the deadline for what they can get. It's not going to work again this season and that's the way it is. 5 wins in a row really seems like the best we can get from these guys....if it's not the offense, it's the defense....if it's not the starters, it's the bullpen. Very frustrating group to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, wegner said: 5 wins in a row really seems like the best we can get from these guys....if it's not the offense, it's the defense....if it's not the starters, it's the bullpen. Very frustrating group to root for. Valid point by you. They are not a well rounded club. When they hit they don't pitch, when they pitch they can't field when the make plays in the field they can't score. Just they way it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Anybody remember when Bobby Jones did the 8th and Bobby Jenks closed? Those teams were fun. I remember watching Graveman had side to side movement when with Seattle & Houston that I'm not seeing with the Sox, what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: Giolito is probably at his peak trade value right now. So where do you all predict he ends up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, Dan Pasqua said: So where do you all predict he ends up? Going with Atlanta or Texas…and I’m never right. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: Anybody remember when Bobby Jones did the 8th and Bobby Jenks closed? Those teams were fun. I remember watching Graveman had side to side movement when with Seattle & Houston that I'm not seeing with the Sox, what gives? I'm not familiar with a Bobby Jones are you referring to someone else? The White Sox had a Barry Jones in the early 90's who was spectacular as a set up man for Bobby Thigpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: So where do you all predict he ends up? West Coast team which is his preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 2 hours ago, hankchifan said: Agree. Pedro also left Joe Kelly in too long yesterday. Was reading thatHeat coach Erik Spoelstra considered one of the best basketball head coaches, is known for having no qualms in taking players not performing out of rotation and out of games, and calling them out, and he is respected for this and a key to his success. Great Coach, and L. James tried to get him fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: Anybody remember when Bobby Jones did the 8th and Bobby Jenks closed? Those teams were fun. I remember watching Graveman had side to side movement when with Seattle & Houston that I'm not seeing with the Sox, what gives? "Do you have Bobbie Jones phone number?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 They blew 9th inning leads 2 days in a row or they would be 2.5 out. IMO, now they are just out. It seems every time they make a mistake it haunts them. They just don’t have a good enough roster to overcome mistakes, let alone maybe not make them at crucial times. How Moncada was not guarding the line in the 9th was curious too. That must be analytics, but teams still play no doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I'm not familiar with a Bobby Jones are you referring to someone else? The White Sox had a Barry Jones in the early 90's who was spectacular as a set up man for Bobby Thigpen. Exactly...spell check... ? I can't remember jack for names but I remember once we got to those guys it was game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: Anybody remember when Bobby Jones did the 8th and Bobby Jenks closed? Those teams were fun. I remember watching Graveman had side to side movement when with Seattle & Houston that I'm not seeing with the Sox, what gives? Howry and Foulke? Nate Jones? Roberto "Bobby" Hernandez, lol? Edited June 12, 2023 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Don't agree with the hot takes regarding "guarding the line". There were two outs, a single gives up a lead, an out ends the game. If there were less than two outs, I'd be with folks, because you don't want to give up a big inning. After 2 outs, you just want to end the inning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: Anybody remember when Bobby Jones did the 8th and Bobby Jenks closed? Those teams were fun. I remember watching Graveman had side to side movement when with Seattle & Houston that I'm not seeing with the Sox, what gives? Who? Do you mean Barry Jones and Bobby Thigpen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Howry and Foulke? Nate Jones? Roberto "Bobby" Hernandez, lol? Bobby Jones was Nate Jones twin cousin. They had the same father but their mothers were sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Looks like a bad Summer in store on both sides of town, as both Chicago teams are now 9 games under .500. 2014 was the last season both teams finished under .500, both with a 73-89 .451 record. 1906 and 2008 were the only two seasons both Chicago teams finished their respective regular seasons in First Place. 1906 World Series: Chicago White Sox (93-58 .616) 4 over Chicago Cubs (116-36 .763) 2 2008 ALDS: Tampa Bay (97-65 .599) 3 over White Sox (89-74 .546) 1 NLDS: Los Angeles (84-78 .519) 3 over Cubs (97-64 .602) 0 Chicago Baseball 21 Futility Seasons: 2014: White Sox 73-89 .451; Cubs 73-89 .451 2013: Cubs 66-96 .407; White Sox 63-99 .389 2011: White Sox 79-83 .488; Cubs 71-91 .438 1999: White Sox 75-86 .466; Cubs 67-95 .414 1997: White Sox 80-81 .497; Cubs 68-94 .420 1988: Cubs 77-85 .475; White Sox 71-90 .441 1987: White Sox 77-85 .475; Cubs 76-85 .472 1986: White Sox 72-90 .444; Cubs 70-90 .438 1980: White Sox 70-90 .438; Cubs 64-98 .395 1979: Cubs 80-82 .494; White Sox 73-87 .456 1978: Cubs 79-83 .488; White Sox 71-90 .441 1976: Cubs 75-87 .463; White Sox 64-97 .398 1975: White Sox 75-86 .466; Cubs 75-87 .463 1973: Cubs 77-84 .478; White Sox 77-85 .475 1950: Cubs 64-89 .418; White Sox 60-94 .390 1949: White Sox 63-91 .409; Cubs 61-93 .396 1948: Cubs 64-90 .416; White Sox 51-101 .336 1947: White Sox 70-84 .455; Cubs 69-85 .448 1944: Cubs 75-79 .487; White Sox 71-83 .461 1942: White Sox 66-82 .446; Cubs 68-86 .442 1921: Cubs 64-89 .418; White Sox 62-92 .403 Seasons a Chicago Team finished with the worst record across The MLB: 2000: Cubs (tied with Philadelphia) 65-97 .401 1970: White Sox 56-106 .346 1966: Cubs 59-103 .364 1948: White Sox 51-101 .336 1931: White Sox 56-97 .366 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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