oldsox Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, Flash said: I'd float Gio and TA to Dodgers for Lux and one of the young arms in AAA. Lux and Montgomery would make a nice double play combo for years to come. I think you're jumping the gun on Montgomery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 I think TA is traded this year because if he goes now he is still QO eligible after next season if he were to return to form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 17 hours ago, caulfield12 said: On the other hand, Anderson clearly comes with more upside, having hit .318/.347/.474 from 2019-22. Although the two-time All-Star missed 18 games early this season with a left knee sprain and has struggled to get going since then, he still boasts a 90th-percentile expected batting average, while making hard contact as often as ever. The main issue has been going from a ground ball hitter to the most extreme ground ball hitter in the sport. Even a modest adjustment -- perhaps with the Dodgers’ help -- could make Anderson a difference maker in the NL West race and into October. And with an affordable 2024 club option ($14 million), Anderson would also bolster L.A.’s depth next season, providing insurance in case Lux encounters any setbacks returning to full strength. The White Sox still have a shot in the weak AL Central, but if the team ends up selling, the Dodgers and their No. 2-ranked farm system would make for a nice match. https://www.mlb.com/news/ideal-mlb-trade-deadline-moves-2023 With all due respect, there is no current upside value to Tim Anderson. I want TA traded as badly as anyone here. However you can't sell this small period of time between 2019-22 and forget about 2023! Yes that will definitely help, but all smart teams and the Dodgers are one of them, will look at not only the stats, but also the intangible factors. Here are the 2023 stats: 1. Stat line .251/.289/.295/.584 and -0.7 WAR 2. 65.1% groundball percentage which leads MLB. 3. A complete loss of power and extra base hits! 52 singles, 9 2B, 0 3B, 0 HR 4. Below average defensive stats: (UZR) -1.7 - 16th, (DEF) 0.9 - 16th, (DWAR) 0.3 - 46th 5. Injury Prone - Between 2022 and this season, TA has only played in 129 games of a possible 233 games, which is 55% of the time. Additionally, the Dodgers have people on their staff bringing the FO executives extensive knowledge about TA's various issues before making a big trade? Factors such as: 1. Clubhouse video of his teammates' lack of support for making all-star game. 2. Frequent outbursts on the field where he has been injected from several games. 3. Constant whining about the fans and media not being more supportive of his sub-par playing. 4. His alleged multiple adultery affairs and confirmed DNA childbirths, which are heavily speculated to be a lot of Tim's inability to concentrate and have any desire to play well. Having said all that, maybe the Dodgers feel they can fix him because they do have good veteran leadership, as well as a veteran and successful manager/front office combo. I truly hope we can get a lot for Tim and it has to be now at the 2023 trade deadline. However we all know the problem here...can Rick Hahn negotiate a strong deal and not get fleeced like he typically does. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) Are your sure those stats are correct? A dWAR of 0.3 would actually be above average, as league average is defined in dWAR as 0. Edited June 17, 2023 by FourEyesShottenhoffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Maybe the Sox could trade for one of those nuns... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 can Stone or Miller be had for Gio? Doubtful, but that would be nice. I bet they like Miller more, but maybe they think they can get make WS run this year with an MLB regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 59 minutes ago, nrockway said: can Stone or Miller be had for Gio? Doubtful, but that would be nice. I bet they like Miller more, but maybe they think they can get make WS run this year with an MLB regular No shot, Miller is better now than Giolito anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Yeah, not getting Miller now for TA and/or Gio. Stone has been brutal in the majors and AAA and Pepiot is hurt. I would go for Rushing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 If trading Gio to the Astros (I know, but they have a huge need) I'd ask for Ryan Clifford. Otherwise, their system is meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Well if Anderson is hurt again (he's listed as day-to-day) another significant injury could completely scare other teams off. Maybe he tweeked it with that wild throw into the Seattle dugout Friday night. We'll see if he's back in the lineup Sunday or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Well if Anderson is hurt again (he's listed as day-to-day) another significant injury could completely scare other teams off. Maybe he tweeked it with that wild throw into the Seattle dugout Friday night. We'll see if he's back in the lineup Sunday or not. Not sure why the Sox would trade TA right now. His value is at an all time low. He has regressed in every facet of his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchatRisktoZisk Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 42 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Well if Anderson is hurt again (he's listed as day-to-day) another significant injury could completely scare other teams off. Maybe he tweeked it with that wild throw into the Seattle dugout Friday night. We'll see if he's back in the lineup Sunday or not. Anderson is fine. The shoulder/day to day announcement was cover for pulling him after the bonehead play on the steal attempt. He was "counciled" in the dugout and was not happy. Magically an inning later and poof...... shoulder issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, PitchatRisktoZisk said: Anderson is fine. The shoulder/day to day announcement was cover for pulling him after the bonehead play on the steal attempt. He was "counciled" in the dugout and was not happy. Magically an inning later and poof...... shoulder issue. You may have a point. Don't know how he'd react if Grifol pulled him for "baseball-stupidity." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 7 hours ago, PitchatRisktoZisk said: Anderson is fine. The shoulder/day to day announcement was cover for pulling him after the bonehead play on the steal attempt. He was "counciled" in the dugout and was not happy. Magically an inning later and poof...... shoulder issue. Sounds like the Luis Robert Coverup/Conspiracy earlier in the season...although old school managers would have dinged him again this week for making zero effort on that ball over his head to walk it off. Maybe the runner would leave earlier if he played it out... who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Sounds like the Luis Robert Coverup/Conspiracy earlier in the season...although old school managers would have dinged him again this week for making zero effort on that ball over his head to walk it off. Maybe the runner would leave earlier if he played it out... who knows. Now you're reaching. Robert was playing shallow. He wasn't gonna catch that ball. Everyone knew it. Game over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, fathom said: No shot, Miller is better now than Giolito anyways Miller was rolling along pretty good last night looking for his 4th straight win but the Giants got him for 7 runs in the 5th on their way to a 15-0 victory over the Dodgers. Maybe his stock went down a tad. For personal reasons I would love to see Bobby Miller on the Sox, he’s from McHenry and is the grandson of my best friend when I was growing up in Rogers Park, he passed away about 20 years ago with all kinds of problems as he had it tough in Vietnam with PTSD which led to alcoholism among other things. My high school sweetheart is Miller’s great aunt and we still are in touch as we fax and she keeps me posted on all the latest with Bobby. Edited June 18, 2023 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: You may have a point. Don't know how he'd react if Grifol pulled him for "baseball-stupidity." He screamed racial epithets at others in the past. Wouldn’t be surprised if he directed it at Grifol or other teammates as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 5:12 PM, WBWSF said: I can't see TA being traded for much of anything. He can't hit, field or run anymore like he use to. If I was an opposing team needing a shortstop I would not want him. I can't see anybody wanting Moncada either. You’re right, we can probably trade TA but Moncada is a lost cause unless the Sox pay most of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'm at the point where I'm completely over this team and I want the entire 26 man roster turned over. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 3:16 PM, caulfield12 said: On the other hand, Anderson clearly comes with more upside, having hit .318/.347/.474 from 2019-22. Although the two-time All-Star missed 18 games early this season with a left knee sprain and has struggled to get going since then, he still boasts a 90th-percentile expected batting average, while making hard contact as often as ever. The main issue has been going from a ground ball hitter to the most extreme ground ball hitter in the sport. Even a modest adjustment -- perhaps with the Dodgers’ help -- could make Anderson a difference maker in the NL West race and into October. And with an affordable 2024 club option ($14 million), Anderson would also bolster L.A.’s depth next season, providing insurance in case Lux encounters any setbacks returning to full strength. The White Sox still have a shot in the weak AL Central, but if the team ends up selling, the Dodgers and their No. 2-ranked farm system would make for a nice match. https://www.mlb.com/news/ideal-mlb-trade-deadline-moves-2023 not the point of this thread, but what the hell does this team's hitting coach actually do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, baseballgalaly said: I'm at the point where I'm completely over this team and I want the entire 26 man roster turned over. We are actually finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win. My eyeball test says we need a top tier catcher before we do anything drastic. How many times I've said to myself why did we throw that pitch in an 0-2, 1-2 count is catcher issue. And it's amazing how often that costs us games and momo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 46 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: We are actually finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win. My eyeball test says we need a top tier catcher before we do anything drastic. How many times I've said to myself why did we throw that pitch in an 0-2, 1-2 count is catcher issue. And it's amazing how often that costs us games and momo. They’re so going to trade for Salvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, fathom said: They’re so going to trade for Salvy I thought the prevailing thought was he was going to be dealt to Tampa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 3:13 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Not sure why any team would want TA unless they weren't giving up much TBH. same with Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 On 6/17/2023 at 11:36 AM, oldsox said: I think you're jumping the gun on Montgomery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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