Greg Hibbard Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 …Dan Pasqua? Let the question sink in for a minute, and then check the numbers. It’s horrifying to think he might not even be as good as that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Lamar Johnson maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Better comparison is Carlos Quentin, and he was pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, tray said: Better comparison is Carlos Quentin, and he was pretty good. Why would Quentin be a good comp? Carlos had 36 homers in his age 25 year, had a 30 homer per 162 avg, and had an 830 plus career OPS. Vaughn has shown no signs he is even close to that level. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Well, his current career comp is Josh Naylor, and his current through Age 24 comp is Travis Snyder, the latter because the White Sox are so F'd up, Andrew has nearly twice as many starts in the outfield as he does at 1B (191 vs. 103). https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vaughan01.shtml He has three seasons to reach his peak. He looks like he's on pace to be a league average 1B in 2025/2026, not necessarily #3 overall pick worthy, but that is Hahn's fault, not Andrew's. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Well, his current career comp is Josh Naylor, and his current through Age 24 comp is Travis Snyder, the latter because the White Sox are so F'd up, Andrew has nearly twice as many starts in the outfield as he does at 1B (191 vs. 103). https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vaughan01.shtml He has three seasons to reach his peak. He looks like he's on pace to be a league average 1B in 2025/2026, not necessarily #3 overall pick worthy, but that is Hahn's fault, not Andrew's. the wrong handed this guy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snowj.01.shtml 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 11 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: the wrong handed this guy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snowj.01.shtml And minus the 6 gold gloves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 I just don’t understand the upside. The dude is super slow, he doesn’t defend at an elite level, he doesn’t have plus power, and he doesn’t take enough walks. What the hell were we sold on? A high enough floor to be assured of being a right handed Gavin Sheets? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Remember when AV was a star bat? I don't either, but people here sure as hell made him out to be one. For all of our rebuild pain, we were rewarded with Madrigal-Kimbrel-Pollock and Vaughn. Let that sink in. Edited June 19, 2023 by SonofaRoache 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 He should be traded, and Burger should play first full time, with Sheets spelling him occasionally and when Burger moves to 3B because Moncada is hurt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: …Dan Pasqua? Let the question sink in for a minute, and then check the numbers. It’s horrifying to think he might not even be as good as that guy. Pasqua was terrible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) I’m wondering if the lack of playing time in the minor leagues has had an effect on his development, I expected much better from him but he’s is only one of many many Sox phenoms that have come down the pike and never became the player we had hoped for. I’d probably give him one more year to see if he can put it all together before putting him on the trading block. As far as comparisons, I’m going with a guy from the 1950s by the name of Walt Dropo. Edited June 19, 2023 by The Mighty Mite 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: I’m wondering if the lack of playing time in the minor leagues has had an effect on his development, I expected much better from him but he’s is only one of many many Sox phenoms that have come down the pike and never became the player we had hoped for. I’d probably give him one more year to see if he can put it all together before putting him on the trading block. Why are other rookies succeeding despite that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: Why are other rookies succeeding despite that? To be honest, I don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: To be honest, I don’t know. Because they are talented and AV is JAG? I'd give Vaughn one more year at the most after '23. Edited June 19, 2023 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Because they are talented and AV is JAG? I'd give Vaughn more year at the most after '23. Could very well be but like you I would give him through 2024, still a little early to give up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Before someone cites RBIs, you should have a lot hitting within 2-3 batters behind Benintendi and Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: I just don’t understand the upside. The dude is super slow, he doesn’t defend at an elite level, he doesn’t have plus power, and he doesn’t take enough walks. What the hell were we sold on? A high enough floor to be assured of being a right handed Gavin Sheets? That was our genius group of scouts and the other losers in the FO, that convinced Hahn how important it was to use the #3 overall pick to take Vaughn. I know Vaughn's last two years in college were big, but he was a slow first baseman and average defender even in college. As it's been mentioned numerous times, why the F*^K did Hahn need to draft another slow first baseman, with average at best defense...when we already had Abreu and Sheets on the roster? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: Remember when AV was a star bat? I don't either, but people here sure as hell made him out to be one. For all of our rebuild pain, we were rewarded with Madrigal-Kimbrel-Pollock and Vaughn. Let that sink in. And if you opined that Hahn didn’t know what he was doing you were a closet Cubs fan. Or a meathead that didn’t understand the modern game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: I’m wondering if the lack of playing time in the minor leagues has had an effect on his development, I expected much better from him but he’s is only one of many many Sox phenoms that have come down the pike and never became the player we had hoped for. I’d probably give him one more year to see if he can put it all together before putting him on the trading block. As far as comparisons, I’m going with a guy from the 1950s by the name of Walt Dropo. Umm... yes. Though I'd argue that it wouldn't matter in this org (we suck at developing players). From the outside, this org seems to look at the minor leagues just as a warehouse of talent that's going to somehow figure out how to get better. The philosophy seems to be "let them play, and they'll improve; eventually, the good ones will be ready to contribute." 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 16 hours ago, pcq said: Lamar Johnson maybe. I remember when Lamar sang the National Anthem before a game. Sorry, just a little trip down memory lane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG23SoxFan Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rusty_Kuntz said: He should be traded, and Burger should play first full time, with Sheets spelling him occasionally and when Burger moves to 3B because Moncada is hurt. So you mean you want Burger at 3rd and Sheets at 1st permanently lol? Edited June 19, 2023 by RG23SoxFan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 After three “baseball players” in Vaughn, Madrigal, and Fulmer failed as top picks, I wonder if I’ll still have to hear guys denigrated as “just an athlete, KW guy”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, JoshPR said: Pasqua was terrible He sucked.. I just started watching when he was still at 1b and frank Thomas was coming up. Pasqua was one of my least favorite and Thomas ended up being my favorite of all time. Ofcourse Pasqua has had plenty of competition for least favorite but Thomas has not for favorite/greats imo. Edited June 19, 2023 by YonderLaroche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Vaughn is hitting .237 this year, and in 1189 career at bats he's hitting .251. Those are not the numbers expected from a #3 overall pick. It looks like he's just average offensively and below average defensively. He's still young, so maybe he'll still find "it", but 1189 at bats is no longer a small sample size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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