Lousy Teams

[oldsox]

There have been some really bad teams in my life.  I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's.  Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago.  White Sox were there in early 70's.  They came back.

[Texsox]

And this team will come back and be really bad once again. I still think they can put together a twenty game losing streak. Perhaps after the sell off.

[Kyyle23]

Well this is the “looking forward to my later years” pep talk I was looking for ?. Can’t wait for all the suck 

[The Mighty Mite]

16 hours ago, oldsox said:

There have been some really bad teams in my life.  I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's.  Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago.  White Sox were there in early 70's.  They came back.

I remember the Phillies of the late 50s and early 60s who were really bad. 
The old Washington Senators of the 1950s were horrible but they moved to Minnesota in 1961 and have been a thorn in the the side of the White Sox ever since.
IIRC when the A’s moved to KC from Philadelphia in 1955 they never had a winning season in their time in KC, they moved to Oakland in 1968 and became damn good with 3 World Series Championships in 1973, 1974 and 1975. Just for comparison sakes, the Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee in 1952 then moved to Atlanta in 1966, they never had a losing season in Milwaukee and drew great crowds in the 50s drawing over 2 million a year for a few years which is like drawing 4 million these days but for some reason Milwaukee stopped supporting them in the 1960s. After the Sox the Braves were my second favorite team and I saw them play many times at Wrigley beating the wretched Cubs who also had some horrible teams in the 50s and up until 1967 in the 60s, for years it was Ernie Banks and 24 other guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by The Mighty Mite

[JoshPR]

Team gonna be worse then the 88 and 89 teams

[The Mighty Mite]

28 minutes ago, JoshPR said:

Team gonna be worse then the 88 and 89 teams

Probably like the 68 and 69 teams but not 1970 bad. 
To tell the truth I’m a little shocked by how bad this team has played, I figured at worse they would be .500 again but really thought they would win the division with 86 wins. This season is like a bad nightmare.

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by The Mighty Mite

[South Side Hit Men]

The Six Losing White Sox Decades: (likely seven with a third total and second straight for Jerry through 2029)

1. .447 1930s (678-841-11) Charlie Comiskey dies, Great Depression
2. .459 2010s (743-876) Rick Hahn Alive, Sox Playoff Chances Dead
3. .463 1940s (707-820-9) MLB Desegregates, Bridgeport Furious, White Sox remain Whites Only until the 1950s
4. .469 1970s (752-853-3) Team almost moves twice, two different owners with Veeck saving the team
5. .476 1920s (731-804-7) Judge KKK Landis dismantles White Sox Championship Core
6. .486 1980s (758-802-3) Jerry Reinsdorf the lone White Sox owner with two losing decades. The result of Jerry's greed, averse, arrogance and ST stupidity.

2020s through 7/26/23: 246-233 .514

[Texsox]

Not too get in the way of your usual rant about JR but how many others had a chance for two losing decades? Charles and JR. 

The various Comiskey family members combined had a win percentage of just under JR.

Veeck, combining his two stints was below .500. 

John Allyn again, worst than JR. Although after this season that may change.

This has been a crappy franchise through and through no matter the owner. Some years are good to great, others just suck ass. 

https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/

 

[South Side Hit Men]

36 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Not too get in the way of your usual rant about JR but how many others had a chance for two losing decades? Charles and JR. 

The various Comiskey family members combined had a win percentage of just under JR.

Veeck, combining his two stints was below .500. 

John Allyn again, worst than JR. Although after this season that may change.

This has been a crappy franchise through and through no matter the owner. Some years are good to great, others just suck ass. 

https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/

Jerry is approaching a half century with three losing decades. He is complete and utter horseshit.

The owners you are bitching about had short terms, primarily limited to what you inherit in such a short window.

Reinsdorf's crony hire Hahn has had a longer stretch than all but three White Sox owners over 124 years.

• Charles Comiskey by far the most successful,
• Charlie's daughter-in-law Grace Comiskey who owned during their transition to successful 1950s teams.
• Jerry Reinsdorf who
  • Tried to move the team
  • Destroyed the 50/50 Chicago fandom split with his SportsVision scheme and firing "scum of the Earth" Harry Caray
  • Cancelled the Sox best chance at a World Series in nearly a half century by cancelling 1994 and trying to field scabs in 1995
  • Led the worst stretch of White Sox baseball in the 2010 during the modern era.

[Texsox]

No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 

[South Side Hit Men]

Just now, Texsox said:

No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 

No Manager has won more games than Connie Mack 3,731 - 3,948.

Jerry can stick his second/third place carrots up his ass.

 

[Big Hurtin]

12 minutes ago, Texsox said:

No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 

Weird flex

[Lip Man 1]

2 hours ago, Texsox said:

No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 

When you've owned the team for over 40+ seasons I would certainly hope so. 

[Texsox]

2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

When you've owned the team for over 40+ seasons I would certainly hope so. 

Agreed. It's as meaningless as stats about losses.

Plenty of reasons to criticize him. But most "insert anything" stats can be attributed to the amount of years he's owned the team. 

[FloydBannister1983]

I don’t ever remember a team that had quit so completely, two years in a row. It’s really astonishing.

[Tony]

On 7/26/2023 at 9:38 PM, oldsox said:

There have been some really bad teams in my life.  I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's.  Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago.  White Sox were there in early 70's.  They came back.

Aren’t you supposed to gain wisdom as you get older? 

[The Mighty Mite]

17 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

I don’t ever remember a team that had quit so completely, two years in a row. It’s really astonishing.

Yep and where’s the friggin pride.

[The Kids Can Play]

23 hours ago, Texsox said:

No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 

 

23 hours ago, Texsox said:

No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 

Nothing much to be proud of when Reinsdorf has the most Sox victories as an owner and yet he is well under 500 for his career.

I guess Jerry deserves a participation trophy! 

[Texsox]

Is he well under .500

[kgrittenburg]

trouble is, none of those teams sold their soul to Kenny Williams over 1 WS title

[Texsox]

15 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

 

Nothing much to be proud of when Reinsdorf has the most Sox victories as an owner and yet he is well under 500 for his career.

I guess Jerry deserves a participation trophy! 

Actually he's not under .500 and even more surprisingly teams have averaged higher in the standings than any other time since Charles moved the team to Chicago. 

https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/

He's just another care taker of a historically horrible franchise not much better or worse than the rest of them. 

As others have noted the are plenty of reasons to want him to sell. Plenty of things he's done that aren't popular with most fans. In fact it seems there is enough to not have to distort or make up stuff to want him gone. But all time won loss stats are meaningless when the only comparison is from the turn of the 20th century versus turn of the 21st century. 

[South Side Hit Men]

30 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Actually he's not under .500 and even more surprisingly teams have averaged higher in the standings than any other time since Charles moved the team to Chicago. 

https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/

He's just another care taker of a historically horrible franchise not much better or worse than the rest of them. 

As others have noted the are plenty of reasons to want him to sell. Plenty of things he's done that aren't popular with most fans. In fact it seems there is enough to not have to distort or make up stuff to want him gone. But all time won loss stats are meaningless when the only comparison is from the turn of the 20th century versus turn of the 21st century. 

His goal is to field 3rd place (used to be 2nd before the expanded playoff garbage) teams, waiving carrots and hoping to find rubes to believe his teams lies that they are trying to field competitive teams. 

Charlie Comiskey built multiple World Series teams. Bill Veeck managed multiple World Series teams with two moribund teams, here within six months of his arrival. Both had the desire to build winners and draw fans. 

Jerry hates White Sox fans, hates most players on his teams, hates his fellow owners, chooses crony hires and criminals over competent decent human beings. When he goes, it will take a few years for his stench to blow away, just like the Chicago Stockyards after they closed.

 

 

[Texsox]

Charles did it in the AL one hundred years ago. He also owned the team that was the biggest scandal in baseball history. Imagine if JR was the owner back then. 

The Veeck/Allen years were as mediocre as any other era. 

The franchise has sucked no matter the owner. It wasn't like JR bought a great franchise and it got worst. It's as good or bad as it ever was. 

[The Kids Can Play]

1 hour ago, Texsox said:

Actually he's not under .500 and even more surprisingly teams have averaged higher in the standings than any other time since Charles moved the team to Chicago. 

https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/

He's just another care taker of a historically horrible franchise not much better or worse than the rest of them. 

As others have noted the are plenty of reasons to want him to sell. Plenty of things he's done that aren't popular with most fans. In fact it seems there is enough to not have to distort or make up stuff to want him gone. But all time won loss stats are meaningless when the only comparison is from the turn of the 20th century versus turn of the 21st century. 

My bad, you're right the loser is over 500, but barely.

In the 43 years his overall record is:

   W           L         %
3355    3325    .502

However since winning the World Series in 2005, his record from 2006-2023 is:

   W           L         %
1324     1433   .480

Since 2011 his record is:

 W           L         %
906     1040    .465

In the 43 years he has had 22 winning seasons and 21 losing seasons. 

Here is the breakdown of all seasons since 1981:

Year	TEAM	G	W	L	W-L%	Finish	GB	Playoffs	R	RA	Attendance	Managers
2023	Chicago White Sox	105	42	63	0.400	4th of 5	12		439	522	1,016,135	P.Grifol (42-63)
2022	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	11		686	717	2,009,359	T.La Russa (63-65) and M.Cairo (18-16)
2021	Chicago White Sox	162	93	69	0.574	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	796	636	1,596,385	T.La Russa (93-69)
2020	Chicago White Sox	60	35	25	0.583	3rd of 5	1	Lost ALWC (2-1)	306	246		R.Renteria (35-25)
2019	Chicago White Sox	161	72	89	0.447	3rd of 5	28.5		708	832	1,649,775	R.Renteria (72-89)
2018	Chicago White Sox	162	62	100	0.383	4th of 5	29		656	848	1,608,817	R.Renteria (62-100)
2017	Chicago White Sox	162	67	95	0.414	4th of 5	35		706	820	1,629,470	R.Renteria (67-95)
2016	Chicago White Sox	162	78	84	0.481	4th of 5	16.5		686	715	1,746,293	R.Ventura (78-84)
2015	Chicago White Sox	162	76	86	0.469	4th of 5	19		622	701	1,755,810	R.Ventura (76-86)
2014	Chicago White Sox	162	73	89	0.451	4th of 5	17		660	758	1,650,821	R.Ventura (73-89)
2013	Chicago White Sox	162	63	99	0.389	5th of 5	30		598	723	1,768,413	R.Ventura (63-99)
2012	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	3		748	676	1,965,955	R.Ventura (85-77)
2011	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	16		654	706	2,001,117	O.Guillen (78-82) and D.Cooper (1-1)
2010	Chicago White Sox	162	88	74	0.543	2nd of 5	6		752	704	2,194,378	O.Guillen (88-74)
2009	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	7.5		724	732	2,284,163	O.Guillen (79-83)
2008	Chicago White Sox	163	89	74	0.546	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	811	729	2,500,648	O.Guillen (89-74)
2007	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	4th of 5	24		693	839	2,684,395	O.Guillen (72-90)
2006	Chicago White Sox	162	90	72	0.556	3rd of 5	6		868	794	2,957,414	O.Guillen (90-72)
2005	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 5	--	Won WS (4-0)	741	645	2,342,833	O.Guillen (99-63)
2004	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	2nd of 5	9		865	831	1,930,537	O.Guillen (83-79)
2003	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	2nd of 5	4		791	715	1,939,524	J.Manuel (86-76)
2002	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	13.5		856	798	1,676,911	J.Manuel (81-81)
2001	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	3rd of 5	8		798	795	1,766,172	J.Manuel (83-79)
2000	Chicago White Sox	162	95	67	0.586	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-0)	978	839	1,947,799	J.Manuel (95-67)
1999	Chicago White Sox	162	75	86	0.466	2nd of 5	21.5		777	870	1,338,851	J.Manuel (75-86)
1998	Chicago White Sox	163	80	82	0.494	2nd of 5	9		861	931	1,391,146	J.Manuel (80-82)
1997	Chicago White Sox	161	80	81	0.497	2nd of 5	6		779	833	1,864,782	T.Bevington (80-81)
1996	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	14.5		898	794	1,676,403	T.Bevington (85-77)
1995	Chicago White Sox	145	68	76	0.472	3rd of 5	32		755	758	1,609,773	G.Lamont (11-20) and T.Bevington (57-56)
1994	Chicago White Sox	113	67	46	0.593	1st of 5	--		633	498	1,697,398	G.Lamont (67-46)
1993	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (4-2)	776	664	2,581,091	G.Lamont (94-68)
1992	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	3rd of 7	10		738	690	2,681,156	G.Lamont (86-76)
1991	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	2nd of 7	8		758	681	2,934,154	J.Torborg (87-75)
1990	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	2nd of 7	9		682	633	2,002,357	J.Torborg (94-68)
1989	Chicago White Sox	161	69	92	0.429	7th of 7	29.5		693	750	1,045,651	J.Torborg (69-92)
1988	Chicago White Sox	161	71	90	0.441	5th of 7	32.5		631	757	1,115,749	J.Fregosi (71-90)
1987	Chicago White Sox	162	77	85	0.475	5th of 7	8		748	746	1,208,060	J.Fregosi (77-85)
1986	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	5th of 7	20		644	699	1,424,313	T.La Russa (26-38), D.Rader (1-1) and J.Fregosi (45-51)
1985	Chicago White Sox	163	85	77	0.525	3rd of 7	6		736	720	1,669,888	T.La Russa (85-77)
1984	Chicago White Sox	162	74	88	0.457	5th of 7	10		679	736	2,136,988	T.La Russa (74-88)
1983	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (3-1)	800	650	2,132,821	T.La Russa (99-63)
1982	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	3rd of 7	6		786	710	1,567,787	T.La Russa (87-75)
1981	Chicago White Sox	106	54	52	0.509	3rd of 7	8.5		476	423	946,651	T.La Russa (54-52)
			3355	3325	0.502

You can rationalize all you want about Jerry Reinsdorf's success, but the overall report card is bad. It's time for him to move on. He still is the worst owner in baseball.

[ron883]

On 7/26/2023 at 9:38 PM, oldsox said:

There have been some really bad teams in my life.  I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's.  Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago.  White Sox were there in early 70's.  They came back.

Dang, are you pushing 90? Love hearing stories from older sports fans.