Lousy Teams

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

My bad, you're right the loser is over 500, but barely.

In the 43 years his overall record is:

   W           L         %
3355    3325    .502

However since winning the World Series in 2005, his record from 2006-2023 is:

   W           L         %
1324     1433   .480

Since 2011 his record is:

 W           L         %
906     1040    .465

In the 43 years he has had 22 winning seasons and 21 losing seasons. 

Here is the breakdown of all seasons since 1981:

Year	TEAM	G	W	L	W-L%	Finish	GB	Playoffs	R	RA	Attendance	Managers
2023	Chicago White Sox	105	42	63	0.400	4th of 5	12		439	522	1,016,135	P.Grifol (42-63)
2022	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	11		686	717	2,009,359	T.La Russa (63-65) and M.Cairo (18-16)
2021	Chicago White Sox	162	93	69	0.574	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	796	636	1,596,385	T.La Russa (93-69)
2020	Chicago White Sox	60	35	25	0.583	3rd of 5	1	Lost ALWC (2-1)	306	246		R.Renteria (35-25)
2019	Chicago White Sox	161	72	89	0.447	3rd of 5	28.5		708	832	1,649,775	R.Renteria (72-89)
2018	Chicago White Sox	162	62	100	0.383	4th of 5	29		656	848	1,608,817	R.Renteria (62-100)
2017	Chicago White Sox	162	67	95	0.414	4th of 5	35		706	820	1,629,470	R.Renteria (67-95)
2016	Chicago White Sox	162	78	84	0.481	4th of 5	16.5		686	715	1,746,293	R.Ventura (78-84)
2015	Chicago White Sox	162	76	86	0.469	4th of 5	19		622	701	1,755,810	R.Ventura (76-86)
2014	Chicago White Sox	162	73	89	0.451	4th of 5	17		660	758	1,650,821	R.Ventura (73-89)
2013	Chicago White Sox	162	63	99	0.389	5th of 5	30		598	723	1,768,413	R.Ventura (63-99)
2012	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	3		748	676	1,965,955	R.Ventura (85-77)
2011	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	16		654	706	2,001,117	O.Guillen (78-82) and D.Cooper (1-1)
2010	Chicago White Sox	162	88	74	0.543	2nd of 5	6		752	704	2,194,378	O.Guillen (88-74)
2009	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	7.5		724	732	2,284,163	O.Guillen (79-83)
2008	Chicago White Sox	163	89	74	0.546	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	811	729	2,500,648	O.Guillen (89-74)
2007	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	4th of 5	24		693	839	2,684,395	O.Guillen (72-90)
2006	Chicago White Sox	162	90	72	0.556	3rd of 5	6		868	794	2,957,414	O.Guillen (90-72)
2005	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 5	--	Won WS (4-0)	741	645	2,342,833	O.Guillen (99-63)
2004	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	2nd of 5	9		865	831	1,930,537	O.Guillen (83-79)
2003	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	2nd of 5	4		791	715	1,939,524	J.Manuel (86-76)
2002	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	13.5		856	798	1,676,911	J.Manuel (81-81)
2001	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	3rd of 5	8		798	795	1,766,172	J.Manuel (83-79)
2000	Chicago White Sox	162	95	67	0.586	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-0)	978	839	1,947,799	J.Manuel (95-67)
1999	Chicago White Sox	162	75	86	0.466	2nd of 5	21.5		777	870	1,338,851	J.Manuel (75-86)
1998	Chicago White Sox	163	80	82	0.494	2nd of 5	9		861	931	1,391,146	J.Manuel (80-82)
1997	Chicago White Sox	161	80	81	0.497	2nd of 5	6		779	833	1,864,782	T.Bevington (80-81)
1996	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	14.5		898	794	1,676,403	T.Bevington (85-77)
1995	Chicago White Sox	145	68	76	0.472	3rd of 5	32		755	758	1,609,773	G.Lamont (11-20) and T.Bevington (57-56)
1994	Chicago White Sox	113	67	46	0.593	1st of 5	--		633	498	1,697,398	G.Lamont (67-46)
1993	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (4-2)	776	664	2,581,091	G.Lamont (94-68)
1992	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	3rd of 7	10		738	690	2,681,156	G.Lamont (86-76)
1991	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	2nd of 7	8		758	681	2,934,154	J.Torborg (87-75)
1990	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	2nd of 7	9		682	633	2,002,357	J.Torborg (94-68)
1989	Chicago White Sox	161	69	92	0.429	7th of 7	29.5		693	750	1,045,651	J.Torborg (69-92)
1988	Chicago White Sox	161	71	90	0.441	5th of 7	32.5		631	757	1,115,749	J.Fregosi (71-90)
1987	Chicago White Sox	162	77	85	0.475	5th of 7	8		748	746	1,208,060	J.Fregosi (77-85)
1986	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	5th of 7	20		644	699	1,424,313	T.La Russa (26-38), D.Rader (1-1) and J.Fregosi (45-51)
1985	Chicago White Sox	163	85	77	0.525	3rd of 7	6		736	720	1,669,888	T.La Russa (85-77)
1984	Chicago White Sox	162	74	88	0.457	5th of 7	10		679	736	2,136,988	T.La Russa (74-88)
1983	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (3-1)	800	650	2,132,821	T.La Russa (99-63)
1982	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	3rd of 7	6		786	710	1,567,787	T.La Russa (87-75)
1981	Chicago White Sox	106	54	52	0.509	3rd of 7	8.5		476	423	946,651	T.La Russa (54-52)
			3355	3325	0.502

You can rationalize all you want about Jerry Reinsdorf's success, but the overall report card is bad. It's time for him to move on. He still is the worst owner in baseball.

And since the start of the 2007 season Sox fans can't even count on having a winning season anymore. 

[GradMc]

Truly CWS has not been blessed with stellar ownership throughout its existence.

Hope and ? a major cultural change will come in my lifetime.

[oldsox]

12 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Dang, are you pushing 90? Love hearing stories from older sports fans. 

Not quite, thanks.  I still remember my Dad taking me to a Sox-Browns game in either 1948 or 49.  Satchel Paige pitched for the Browns, and he drew a pretty big crowd, as I remember.  He did his funny wind up and threw the eephus pitch.  Crowd loved it, of course.  But the Browns had horrible teams, always in last place.  Mickey Mantle was quoted once that after Ned Garver pitched, they had nobody.  Back in the 30-s or early 40's they even had a one-armed left fielder.

[Texsox]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

My bad, you're right the loser is over 500, but barely.

In the 43 years his overall record is:

   W           L         %
3355    3325    .502

However since winning the World Series in 2005, his record from 2006-2023 is:

   W           L         %
1324     1433   .480

Since 2011 his record is:

 W           L         %
906     1040    .465

In the 43 years he has had 22 winning seasons and 21 losing seasons. 

Here is the breakdown of all seasons since 1981:

Year	TEAM	G	W	L	W-L%	Finish	GB	Playoffs	R	RA	Attendance	Managers
2023	Chicago White Sox	105	42	63	0.400	4th of 5	12		439	522	1,016,135	P.Grifol (42-63)
2022	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	11		686	717	2,009,359	T.La Russa (63-65) and M.Cairo (18-16)
2021	Chicago White Sox	162	93	69	0.574	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	796	636	1,596,385	T.La Russa (93-69)
2020	Chicago White Sox	60	35	25	0.583	3rd of 5	1	Lost ALWC (2-1)	306	246		R.Renteria (35-25)
2019	Chicago White Sox	161	72	89	0.447	3rd of 5	28.5		708	832	1,649,775	R.Renteria (72-89)
2018	Chicago White Sox	162	62	100	0.383	4th of 5	29		656	848	1,608,817	R.Renteria (62-100)
2017	Chicago White Sox	162	67	95	0.414	4th of 5	35		706	820	1,629,470	R.Renteria (67-95)
2016	Chicago White Sox	162	78	84	0.481	4th of 5	16.5		686	715	1,746,293	R.Ventura (78-84)
2015	Chicago White Sox	162	76	86	0.469	4th of 5	19		622	701	1,755,810	R.Ventura (76-86)
2014	Chicago White Sox	162	73	89	0.451	4th of 5	17		660	758	1,650,821	R.Ventura (73-89)
2013	Chicago White Sox	162	63	99	0.389	5th of 5	30		598	723	1,768,413	R.Ventura (63-99)
2012	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	3		748	676	1,965,955	R.Ventura (85-77)
2011	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	16		654	706	2,001,117	O.Guillen (78-82) and D.Cooper (1-1)
2010	Chicago White Sox	162	88	74	0.543	2nd of 5	6		752	704	2,194,378	O.Guillen (88-74)
2009	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	7.5		724	732	2,284,163	O.Guillen (79-83)
2008	Chicago White Sox	163	89	74	0.546	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	811	729	2,500,648	O.Guillen (89-74)
2007	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	4th of 5	24		693	839	2,684,395	O.Guillen (72-90)
2006	Chicago White Sox	162	90	72	0.556	3rd of 5	6		868	794	2,957,414	O.Guillen (90-72)
2005	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 5	--	Won WS (4-0)	741	645	2,342,833	O.Guillen (99-63)
2004	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	2nd of 5	9		865	831	1,930,537	O.Guillen (83-79)
2003	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	2nd of 5	4		791	715	1,939,524	J.Manuel (86-76)
2002	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	13.5		856	798	1,676,911	J.Manuel (81-81)
2001	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	3rd of 5	8		798	795	1,766,172	J.Manuel (83-79)
2000	Chicago White Sox	162	95	67	0.586	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-0)	978	839	1,947,799	J.Manuel (95-67)
1999	Chicago White Sox	162	75	86	0.466	2nd of 5	21.5		777	870	1,338,851	J.Manuel (75-86)
1998	Chicago White Sox	163	80	82	0.494	2nd of 5	9		861	931	1,391,146	J.Manuel (80-82)
1997	Chicago White Sox	161	80	81	0.497	2nd of 5	6		779	833	1,864,782	T.Bevington (80-81)
1996	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	14.5		898	794	1,676,403	T.Bevington (85-77)
1995	Chicago White Sox	145	68	76	0.472	3rd of 5	32		755	758	1,609,773	G.Lamont (11-20) and T.Bevington (57-56)
1994	Chicago White Sox	113	67	46	0.593	1st of 5	--		633	498	1,697,398	G.Lamont (67-46)
1993	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (4-2)	776	664	2,581,091	G.Lamont (94-68)
1992	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	3rd of 7	10		738	690	2,681,156	G.Lamont (86-76)
1991	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	2nd of 7	8		758	681	2,934,154	J.Torborg (87-75)
1990	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	2nd of 7	9		682	633	2,002,357	J.Torborg (94-68)
1989	Chicago White Sox	161	69	92	0.429	7th of 7	29.5		693	750	1,045,651	J.Torborg (69-92)
1988	Chicago White Sox	161	71	90	0.441	5th of 7	32.5		631	757	1,115,749	J.Fregosi (71-90)
1987	Chicago White Sox	162	77	85	0.475	5th of 7	8		748	746	1,208,060	J.Fregosi (77-85)
1986	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	5th of 7	20		644	699	1,424,313	T.La Russa (26-38), D.Rader (1-1) and J.Fregosi (45-51)
1985	Chicago White Sox	163	85	77	0.525	3rd of 7	6		736	720	1,669,888	T.La Russa (85-77)
1984	Chicago White Sox	162	74	88	0.457	5th of 7	10		679	736	2,136,988	T.La Russa (74-88)
1983	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (3-1)	800	650	2,132,821	T.La Russa (99-63)
1982	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	3rd of 7	6		786	710	1,567,787	T.La Russa (87-75)
1981	Chicago White Sox	106	54	52	0.509	3rd of 7	8.5		476	423	946,651	T.La Russa (54-52)
			3355	3325	0.502

You can rationalize all you want about Jerry Reinsdorf's success, but the overall report card is bad. It's time for him to move on. He still is the worst owner in baseball.

Whoa, read all my posts. There are plenty of reasons for fans to want a change. So many in fact you don't have to make things up or distort the actual record to want him gone. 

 

[Texsox]

2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

His goal is to field 3rd place (used to be 2nd before the expanded playoff garbage) teams, waiving carrots and hoping to find rubes to believe his teams lies that they are trying to field competitive teams. 

Charlie Comiskey built multiple World Series teams. Bill Veeck managed multiple World Series teams with two moribund teams, here within six months of his arrival. Both had the desire to build winners and draw fans. 

Jerry hates White Sox fans, hates most players on his teams, hates his fellow owners, chooses crony hires and criminals over competent decent human beings. When he goes, it will take a few years for his stench to blow away, just like the Chicago Stockyards after they closed.

 

 

Yet here you are. 

I can't disagree with your assessment of how JR feels, I've never spent any time with him and don't presume to know how he feels. So you hate the owner, the owner hates you. It's a beautiful world. I believe he and his partners have benefit more from this mutual hate than you have. 

Go Sox 

[South Side Hit Men]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

My bad, you're right the loser is over 500, but barely.

In the 43 years his overall record is:

   W           L         %
3355    3325    .502

However since winning the World Series in 2005, his record from 2006-2023 is:

   W           L         %
1324     1433   .480

Since 2011 his record is:

 W           L         %
906     1040    .465

In the 43 years he has had 22 winning seasons and 21 losing seasons. 

Here is the breakdown of all seasons since 1981:

Year	TEAM	G	W	L	W-L%	Finish	GB	Playoffs	R	RA	Attendance	Managers
2023	Chicago White Sox	105	42	63	0.400	4th of 5	12		439	522	1,016,135	P.Grifol (42-63)
2022	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	11		686	717	2,009,359	T.La Russa (63-65) and M.Cairo (18-16)
2021	Chicago White Sox	162	93	69	0.574	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	796	636	1,596,385	T.La Russa (93-69)
2020	Chicago White Sox	60	35	25	0.583	3rd of 5	1	Lost ALWC (2-1)	306	246		R.Renteria (35-25)
2019	Chicago White Sox	161	72	89	0.447	3rd of 5	28.5		708	832	1,649,775	R.Renteria (72-89)
2018	Chicago White Sox	162	62	100	0.383	4th of 5	29		656	848	1,608,817	R.Renteria (62-100)
2017	Chicago White Sox	162	67	95	0.414	4th of 5	35		706	820	1,629,470	R.Renteria (67-95)
2016	Chicago White Sox	162	78	84	0.481	4th of 5	16.5		686	715	1,746,293	R.Ventura (78-84)
2015	Chicago White Sox	162	76	86	0.469	4th of 5	19		622	701	1,755,810	R.Ventura (76-86)
2014	Chicago White Sox	162	73	89	0.451	4th of 5	17		660	758	1,650,821	R.Ventura (73-89)
2013	Chicago White Sox	162	63	99	0.389	5th of 5	30		598	723	1,768,413	R.Ventura (63-99)
2012	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	3		748	676	1,965,955	R.Ventura (85-77)
2011	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	16		654	706	2,001,117	O.Guillen (78-82) and D.Cooper (1-1)
2010	Chicago White Sox	162	88	74	0.543	2nd of 5	6		752	704	2,194,378	O.Guillen (88-74)
2009	Chicago White Sox	162	79	83	0.488	3rd of 5	7.5		724	732	2,284,163	O.Guillen (79-83)
2008	Chicago White Sox	163	89	74	0.546	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-1)	811	729	2,500,648	O.Guillen (89-74)
2007	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	4th of 5	24		693	839	2,684,395	O.Guillen (72-90)
2006	Chicago White Sox	162	90	72	0.556	3rd of 5	6		868	794	2,957,414	O.Guillen (90-72)
2005	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 5	--	Won WS (4-0)	741	645	2,342,833	O.Guillen (99-63)
2004	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	2nd of 5	9		865	831	1,930,537	O.Guillen (83-79)
2003	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	2nd of 5	4		791	715	1,939,524	J.Manuel (86-76)
2002	Chicago White Sox	162	81	81	0.500	2nd of 5	13.5		856	798	1,676,911	J.Manuel (81-81)
2001	Chicago White Sox	162	83	79	0.512	3rd of 5	8		798	795	1,766,172	J.Manuel (83-79)
2000	Chicago White Sox	162	95	67	0.586	1st of 5	--	Lost ALDS (3-0)	978	839	1,947,799	J.Manuel (95-67)
1999	Chicago White Sox	162	75	86	0.466	2nd of 5	21.5		777	870	1,338,851	J.Manuel (75-86)
1998	Chicago White Sox	163	80	82	0.494	2nd of 5	9		861	931	1,391,146	J.Manuel (80-82)
1997	Chicago White Sox	161	80	81	0.497	2nd of 5	6		779	833	1,864,782	T.Bevington (80-81)
1996	Chicago White Sox	162	85	77	0.525	2nd of 5	14.5		898	794	1,676,403	T.Bevington (85-77)
1995	Chicago White Sox	145	68	76	0.472	3rd of 5	32		755	758	1,609,773	G.Lamont (11-20) and T.Bevington (57-56)
1994	Chicago White Sox	113	67	46	0.593	1st of 5	--		633	498	1,697,398	G.Lamont (67-46)
1993	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (4-2)	776	664	2,581,091	G.Lamont (94-68)
1992	Chicago White Sox	162	86	76	0.531	3rd of 7	10		738	690	2,681,156	G.Lamont (86-76)
1991	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	2nd of 7	8		758	681	2,934,154	J.Torborg (87-75)
1990	Chicago White Sox	162	94	68	0.580	2nd of 7	9		682	633	2,002,357	J.Torborg (94-68)
1989	Chicago White Sox	161	69	92	0.429	7th of 7	29.5		693	750	1,045,651	J.Torborg (69-92)
1988	Chicago White Sox	161	71	90	0.441	5th of 7	32.5		631	757	1,115,749	J.Fregosi (71-90)
1987	Chicago White Sox	162	77	85	0.475	5th of 7	8		748	746	1,208,060	J.Fregosi (77-85)
1986	Chicago White Sox	162	72	90	0.444	5th of 7	20		644	699	1,424,313	T.La Russa (26-38), D.Rader (1-1) and J.Fregosi (45-51)
1985	Chicago White Sox	163	85	77	0.525	3rd of 7	6		736	720	1,669,888	T.La Russa (85-77)
1984	Chicago White Sox	162	74	88	0.457	5th of 7	10		679	736	2,136,988	T.La Russa (74-88)
1983	Chicago White Sox	162	99	63	0.611	1st of 7	--	Lost ALCS (3-1)	800	650	2,132,821	T.La Russa (99-63)
1982	Chicago White Sox	162	87	75	0.537	3rd of 7	6		786	710	1,567,787	T.La Russa (87-75)
1981	Chicago White Sox	106	54	52	0.509	3rd of 7	8.5		476	423	946,651	T.La Russa (54-52)
			3355	3325	0.502

You can rationalize all you want about Jerry Reinsdorf's success, but the overall report card is bad. It's time for him to move on. He still is the worst owner in baseball.

Jerry will likely finish under .500, even if he is alive and owner in the 2030s or 2040s. Things will only get worse as the longer he stays, the less likely anyone competent will come in the FO, and the further the Sox will likely fall back from modern baseball analytics and performance development.