Buehrle>Wood Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, JoeC said: I'm wondering if people wouldn't give two shits about Jake Burger if Yoan Moncada weren't also involved. Yoan fans feeling sensitive today? Yeah I don't think the casual fan that has embraced Burger and loves home runs (rightfully so) gives a s%*# about Moncadas involvement here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Yoan fans feeling sensitive today? Yeah I don't think the casual fan that has embraced Burger and loves home runs (rightfully so) gives a s%*# about Moncadas involvement here. Not sure who's more hurt, but I feel like one SoxTalk forum requirement is that you either have to be 100% pro-Yoan or 100% anti-Yoan. There is no in between. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Moncada is the third rail type for certain fans. Got a contract he probably doesn't deserve, likes to party and isn't shy about it, is frequently hurt and so on. I don't really get angry at individual players any more I'm too old for that, blame the dude that signed him to that deal and traded for him. I wouldn’t care about any of that if he was still actually good 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Yoan fans feeling sensitive today? Yeah I don't think the casual fan that has embraced Burger and loves home runs (rightfully so) gives a s%*# about Moncadas involvement here. I don't see how Yoan has anything to do with the issue of whether or not they should have traded Jake Burger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 I mean the Yoan/Burger arguments have been going on almost the entire season. Not sure why it’s surprising that they would come up again in this thread where people are giving their take on the trade based on how they value Burger as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 People are too harsh on this on both sides. Jake could hit the ball harder than pretty much every other player in baseball. And in the air. If he can make incremental progress on walks he can greatly increase his value. For that, the Sox got a really great pitching prospect. This board loves comps that exclusively live in the white Sox world…and I can see this being a Brandon McCarthy for Johnny Danks swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Burger #36 for Miami. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 From MLB.com today reviewing the deal just FYI: Of course, that the White Sox were willing to trade a feel-good success story who can’t be a free agent until after 2028 tells you a little something, and there’s no shortage of red flags here; he’s a below-average fielder; his .279 on-base percentage is well below-average; he’s hit .173/.253/.470 over the last two months. Throw in a 32% strikeout rate and he’s the Anti-Marlin in lot of ways, which isn’t a bad thing given their total lack of power, but it’s also possible that the White Sox viewed this as found money, turning a pre-season question mark into a well-regarded 24-year-old Double-A starter who could be in Chicago as soon as next year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 2023 Burger 》2022+ Moncada. Fun fact big brain Hahn wanted Benitendi and Jackie Bradley over Yoan and Kopech. So I guess it could be worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Kim Ng on the Marlins broadcast and mentioned knowing KW for years when asked about how deals come together. Did not mention Rick Hahn. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 1 minute ago, almagest said: Kim Ng on the Marlins broadcast and mentioned knowing KW for years when asked about how deals come together. Did not mention Rick Hahn. Was listening to that interview as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, YonderLaroche said: 2023 Burger 》2022+ Moncada. Fun fact big brain Hahn wanted Benitendi and Jackie Bradley over Yoan and Kopech. So I guess it could be worse I don't remember wanting Bradley. Either way Benintendi and Bradley have out WAR'd Moncada and Kopech since the trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, YonderLaroche said: 2023 Burger 》2022+ Moncada. Fun fact big brain Hahn wanted Benitendi and Jackie Bradley over Yoan and Kopech. So I guess it could be worse Not surprised. Fire him ex post facto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 All other things being about equal in terms of W/L, home runs absolutely add to fan interest and draw fans into the park. '77 SS Hitmen were a good example as well as the '83 Sox with Fisk, Luzinski, and Kittle. People who were around back in those ancient times still fondly remember those teams, roof shots at the old park, etc. No way I trade Burger for an arm. Another thing about Burger. Unlike AV who is station to station when he gets on base, Burger and Eloy have some speed and can leg out some doubles. I don't know if anyone else noticed but AV looks like he boxed out a bit, especially from the waist down and he seems to be wearing a bigger shoe size. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, tray said: All other things being about equal in terms of W/L, home runs absolutely add to fan interest and draw fans into the park. '77 SS Hitmen were a good example as well as the '83 Sox with Fisk, Luzinski, and Kittle. People who were around back in those ancient times still fondly remember those teams, roof shots at the old park, etc. No way I trade Burger for an arm. Another thing about Burger. Unlike AV who is station to station when he gets on base, Burger and Eloy have some speed and can leg out some doubles. I don't know if anyone else noticed but AV looks like he boxed out a bit, especially from the waist down and he seems to be wearing a bigger shoe size. Didn't the 1983 team...win the division? Didn't the '77 team...win 90 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: From MLB.com today reviewing the deal just FYI: Of course, that the White Sox were willing to trade a feel-good success story who can’t be a free agent until after 2028 tells you a little something, and there’s no shortage of red flags here; he’s a below-average fielder; his .279 on-base percentage is well below-average; he’s hit .173/.253/.470 over the last two months. Throw in a 32% strikeout rate and he’s the Anti-Marlin in lot of ways, which isn’t a bad thing given their total lack of power, but it’s also possible that the White Sox viewed this as found money, turning a pre-season question mark into a well-regarded 24-year-old Double-A starter who could be in Chicago as soon as next year. Because it's the Sox I expect him to basically turn into JD Martinez over the 2nd half of his career. His statcast data is pretty incredible. If he ever does figure out some plate discipline he could be what Eloy was supposed to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: From MLB.com today reviewing the deal just FYI: Of course, that the White Sox were willing to trade a feel-good success story who can’t be a free agent until after 2028 tells you a little something, and there’s no shortage of red flags here; he’s a below-average fielder; his .279 on-base percentage is well below-average; he’s hit .173/.253/.470 over the last two months. Throw in a 32% strikeout rate and he’s the Anti-Marlin in lot of ways, which isn’t a bad thing given their total lack of power, but it’s also possible that the White Sox viewed this as found money, turning a pre-season question mark into a well-regarded 24-year-old Double-A starter who could be in Chicago as soon as next year. I guess I understand the trade if they did their homework on it. But the failure to choose a lane overall is the remaining problem. Contending in ‘24 ffs. Really? Straddling the fence means your balls get splinters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, almagest said: Kim Ng on the Marlins broadcast and mentioned knowing KW for years when asked about how deals come together. Did not mention Rick Hahn. The Sox way...... the owner picks the Manager and the VP makes the trades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: No I have told you enough. I want you to be crabby about it and you came through As as usual you have no defense for your idiocy and bluster. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, almagest said: Kim Ng on the Marlins broadcast and mentioned knowing KW for years when asked about how deals come together. Did not mention Rick Hahn. Probably looking too much into that. She worked in the Sox front office with KW, never with Hahn. She could just be referencing that previous relationship with the Sox organization and people there. I don’t recall her specifically saying she worked with KW on the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Burger got 2 hits and a walk in the Marlins win tonight. Made good contact. Good defense. Showing energy. I still don’t like this trade. Burger has been improving, and we need sluggers in our team. Burger interview after the game said he liked the Marlins clubhouse energy and the feeling that they are never out of the game, and he was warmly welcomed. I think this was a dig at the Sox clubhouse in a way. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, hankchifan said: Burger got 2 hits and a walk in the Marlins win tonight. Made good contact. Good defense. Showing energy. I still don’t like this trade. Burger has been improving, and we need sluggers in our team. Burger interview after the game said he liked the Marlins clubhouse energy and the feeling that they are never out of the game, and he was warmly welcomed. I think this was a dig at the Sox clubhouse in a way. Couldn’t be less shocked. Every behind the scenes story is about how awful the clubhouse has been for a few years now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I did not know that Eder's stuff backed up so much after TJS/foot injury. I'd still rather have him than Burger, but the trade is more questionable with this info than beforehand. I do not expect the Sox to help him get his mid-90s stuff back as the org has no track record in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, fathom said: Couldn’t be less shocked. Every behind the scenes story is about how awful the clubhouse has been for a few years now. Of course the FO prioritizes sending off good vibe players like Burger instead of the cancers. Isnt this why KW employs Boston? For the clubhouse scoop? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I don’t think Burger took any shots at the White Sox. He almost cried talking about being traded. He loved being a White Sox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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