caulfield12 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) Yahoo Sports If you don’t believe it, just check under the hood of the pitchers who have recently been traded. Flaherty, the 27-year-old approaching free agency, displayed a velocity spike in his first Orioles start. And Lynn, the 36-year-old right-hander the Dodgers dealt for in the midst of his worst season, has more or less completely scrambled the pitch mix he had been using with the Chicago White Sox. Lance Lynn has drastically shifted his pitch-use strategy since being traded to from the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers last monhth. (MLB.com)More Since donning blue, he has emphasized his four-seam fastball, mostly abandoned a cutter and leaned more on his slider. https://sports.yahoo.com/adjustment-season-in-mlb-why-the-biggest-trade-deadline-acquisitions-might-be-transformations-in-progress-211658849.html Edited August 9, 2023 by caulfield12 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If you don’t believe it, just check under the hood of the pitchers who have recently been traded. Flaherty, the 27-year-old approaching free agency, displayed a velocity spike in his first Orioles start. And Lynn, the 36-year-old right-hander the Dodgers dealt for in the midst of his worst season, has more or less completely scrambled the pitch mix he had been using with the Chicago White Sox. Lance Lynn has drastically shifted his pitch-use strategy since being traded to from the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers last monhth. (MLB.com)More
shago Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Yahoo Sports If you don’t believe it, just check under the hood of the pitchers who have recently been traded. Flaherty, the 27-year-old approaching free agency, displayed a velocity spike in his first Orioles start. And Lynn, the 36-year-old right-hander the Dodgers dealt for in the midst of his worst season, has more or less completely scrambled the pitch mix he had been using with the Chicago White Sox. Lance Lynn has drastically shifted his pitch-use strategy since being traded to from the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers last monhth. (MLB.com)More Since donning blue, he has emphasized his four-seam fastball, mostly abandoned a cutter and leaned more on his slider. https://sports.yahoo.com/adjustment-season-in-mlb-why-the-biggest-trade-deadline-acquisitions-might-be-transformations-in-progress-211658849.html This is truly amazing, and yet so not surprising ... thank you for posting this. Highlights just another example of how ridiculously incompetent and underwhelming our staff is in every way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If you don’t believe it, just check under the hood of the pitchers who have recently been traded. Flaherty, the 27-year-old approaching free agency, displayed a velocity spike in his first Orioles start. And Lynn, the 36-year-old right-hander the Dodgers dealt for in the midst of his worst season, has more or less completely scrambled the pitch mix he had been using with the Chicago White Sox. Lance Lynn has drastically shifted his pitch-use strategy since being traded to from the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers last monhth. (MLB.com)More
KipWellsFan Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's been just two starts. And in those starts he has already given up 4 homeruns. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, KipWellsFan said: Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's been just two starts. And in those starts he has already given up 4 homeruns. Yeah but Lynn has been throwing left-handed since he came to the Dodgers............................ 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Yahoo Sports If you don’t believe it, just check under the hood of the pitchers who have recently been traded. Flaherty, the 27-year-old approaching free agency, displayed a velocity spike in his first Orioles start. And Lynn, the 36-year-old right-hander the Dodgers dealt for in the midst of his worst season, has more or less completely scrambled the pitch mix he had been using with the Chicago White Sox. Lance Lynn has drastically shifted his pitch-use strategy since being traded to from the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers last monhth. (MLB.com)More Since donning blue, he has emphasized his four-seam fastball, mostly abandoned a cutter and leaned more on his slider. https://sports.yahoo.com/adjustment-season-in-mlb-why-the-biggest-trade-deadline-acquisitions-might-be-transformations-in-progress-211658849.html Wow, I didn't see that coming. I take that back, actually I did. We just saw Jake Diekman killing it on the Rays after the Sox FO/manager/pitching coach were convinced he Diekman sucked and was over the hill. Btw, thanks for posting this, because this once again shows everyone, that from A-Z in every single aspect of this organization...we are pathetic and clueless. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If you don’t believe it, just check under the hood of the pitchers who have recently been traded. Flaherty, the 27-year-old approaching free agency, displayed a velocity spike in his first Orioles start. And Lynn, the 36-year-old right-hander the Dodgers dealt for in the midst of his worst season, has more or less completely scrambled the pitch mix he had been using with the Chicago White Sox. Lance Lynn has drastically shifted his pitch-use strategy since being traded to from the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers last monhth. (MLB.com)More
Tnetennba Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 The Dodgets. Yes, the Dodgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 He's still averaging almost 3 HR/9 and also has a much worse FIP in his 13 LA innings. He had a few nice outings for the Sox after mixing up his pitch arsenal too. We saw how long that lasted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 There are many things wrong with this coaching staff. Ethan Katz isn't one of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Colome's Hat said: There are many things wrong with this coaching staff. Ethan Katz isn't one of them. Ethan Katz is absolutely one of them, this pitching staff has made very little positive progress this year and wasted a whole lot of resources. Plus, the pitching staff has been repeatedly put in positions to fail or get hurt (Crochet, Hendrix, Martin). The good news is he’s likely to be the fall guy to protect Hahn and Grifol this year. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: The Dodgets. Yes, the Dodgets. I'm quite surprised that Lynn accepted his assignment to the San Jose Dodgets.....that is the AAAA Dodgers affiliate to the uninitiated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: There are many things wrong with this coaching staff. Ethan Katz isn't one of them. The on field results beg to differ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: The on field results beg to differ. No. Absolutley not. Look at the progress Cease made. Look at what Rodon did. Giolito. Etc. I don't think the injuries are his fault at all. That's a Hahn and the training staff. But the results and the metrics are there. The pitching staff, statistically at least, has been the best part of these last three seasons. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: No. Absolutley not. Look at the progress Cease made. Look at what Rodon did. Giolito. Etc. I don't think the injuries are his fault at all. That's a Hahn and the training staff. But the results and the metrics are there. The pitching staff, statistically at least, has been the best part of these last three seasons. Dylan Cease has made progress? Giolito didn’t go backward the last two years? Katz also was the 2022 pitching coach for the Giants? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: No. Absolutley not. Look at the progress Cease made. Look at what Rodon did. Giolito. Etc. I don't think the injuries are his fault at all. That's a Hahn and the training staff. But the results and the metrics are there. The pitching staff, statistically at least, has been the best part of these last three seasons. Is Cease injured this year? Explain that regression. Gio was awful last year. Explain that. Lynn too. Kopech has gone from promising prospect to afterthought, whose stuff has virtually disintegrated. Where is Katz on that? Don't even get me started on the bullpen. I'm not saying Katz is the sole reason for the struggles and regression, but I don't think he is some pitching savant either. To this point he is very replaceable. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 50 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: There are many things wrong with this coaching staff. Ethan Katz isn't one of them. Disagreed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 The white Sox have the 24th ranked ERA in baseball. They have given up the 4th most home runs and second most walks in MLB. Their strikeout to walk ratio is 22nd so even if they’re getting strikeouts, the walks are winning. How is that not on the pitching coach? edit: and all that is while in the AL Central, with one of the easier schedules in mlb. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Yeah, the Sox pitching hasn't been great even before they traded half the staff, but if they get rid of the pitching coaches, they should fire the hitting coaches into the sun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: To this point he is very replaceable. November 15, 2023 Rick Hahn announces changes to White Sox’ coaching staff. Names xxxx xxxxxxx as new pitching coach. “He is the Pedro Grifol of pitching coaches, and that’s what we looked for to make the necessary adjustments to contend in 2024.” Welcome a new FO to revamp everything, but Katz is far down the list in terms of trying to fix this organization piece mail , and the alternative will most certainly be worse with Hahn’s track record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Another friend and family hire that didn't work out. I think @Balta1701is spot on with his analysis. It's a crappy organization and likely he isn't getting the support other coaches in his position receive in their organizations. I wonder if position coach could be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom4789 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Is still feel like ethan katz got lucky as a highschool coach with all Freid, Giolito and Flaherty all being on his team and has been riding that into the sunset. It is also very troubling that when we trade pitchers other teams know exactly what to change on them but for some reason we are unable to see this. Hopefully they dont keep him around as long as Cooper but with Jerrys loyalty......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Normally I wouldn't do this, but because caulfield is the grammar/spelling nazi jagoff around here, I feel obligated. DODGERS*** @caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, venom4789 said: Is still feel like ethan katz got lucky as a highschool coach with all Freid, Giolito and Flaherty all being on his team and has been riding that into the sunset. It is also very troubling that when we trade pitchers other teams know exactly what to change on them but for some reason we are unable to see this. Hopefully they dont keep him around as long as Cooper but with Jerrys loyalty......... I think Ethan Katz made his name by having most of his staff increase their spin rates through Spidertack. He definitely did help Rodon at least, no one else was able to get him into shape, but that’s one player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, venom4789 said: Is still feel like ethan katz got lucky as a highschool coach with all Freid, Giolito and Flaherty all being on his team and has been ridi It is also very troubling that when we trade pitchers other teams know exactly what to change on them but for some reason we are unable to see this. Hopefully they dont keep him around as long as Cooper but with Jerrys loyalty......... Lynn has a history of doing better the year he switches teams. He did the same thing when coming to the Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 My only reservation about dispatching Katz is that he uses analytics to some extent. That's an island in this org. But the Walks from our pitchers. Yikes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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