southsider2k5 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, Rusty said: At the very least Katz has to go. You’d have to assume the pitching coach is highly complicit in the bullpen decisions and they are justifying a catcher with a .070 BA because he apparently manages the staff so well…ie, you are admitting that the pitching coach isn’t doing his job. Looking at the actual guys on this pitching staff and their histories, I am not convinced there is much more to get out of them. By and large this is an awful bullpen, pitching pretty awful. The young guys have show young guy ups and downs. The reclamation projects have seen a couple of successes, and more failures, as is to be expected. Crochet and Fedde have been huge pluses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Imagine being paid a million dollars to be the absolute worst at your job, but you still get 4 months paid before you lose your job cuz your boss is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Looking at the actual guys on this pitching staff and their histories, I am not convinced there is much more to get out of them. By and large this is an awful bullpen, pitching pretty awful. The young guys have show young guy ups and downs. The reclamation projects have seen a couple of successes, and more failures, as is to be expected. Crochet and Fedde have been huge pluses. You have the second worst ERA in the league. I don’t care who is on your staff…you fire the pitching coach. Crochet and Fedde are good in spite of Katz. Former Sox pitchers certainly aren’t struggling so far this season. https://x.com/markpotash/status/1801370013846196246?s=46&t=qxRA7RqZFEUjHM1VOzfOUA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 minute ago, Rusty said: You have the second worst ERA in the league. I don’t care who is on your staff…you fire the pitching coach. Crochet and Fedde are good in spite of Katz. Former Sox pitchers certainly aren’t struggling so far this season. https://x.com/markpotash/status/1801370013846196246?s=46&t=qxRA7RqZFEUjHM1VOzfOUA If you have the worst collection of pitching talent in the league is it really shocking that they were the 2nd worst in the league? We spent an entire winter talking about how awful they were going to be, and they are who we thought they were. Of all people needing fired, Katz might be last, or damned near it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If you have the worst collection of pitching talent in the league is it really shocking that they were the 2nd worst in the league? We spent an entire winter talking about how awful they were going to be, and they are who we thought they were. Of all people needing fired, Katz might be last, or damned near it. I think most people believe they all need to be fired, the entire coaching staff and front office. So even if Katz hasn’t been as terrible as the rest, he has to go with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 9 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Does no one remember the Robin Ventura experience? Why would Frank Thomas put his ass on the line for this collection of garbage? Ozzie is desperate to be relevant, even he seems to have just enough self awareness to not sign onto this sinking ship. Who the hell would pay to watch either of those Sox 'heroes' have zero effect on the worst team in history for that matter? Make me manager, it doesn’t fucking matter this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 The Sox have either been tied or led in 12 of the last 13 games. They have homered in all of them. They have won 3. Grifol is simply bad at the winning part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Nightengale said he would be surprised if the Sox don't dismiss Grifol after 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: The Sox have either been tied or led in 12 of the last 13 games. They have homered in all of them. They have won 3. Grifol is simply bad at the winning part. The rest of MLB owns an .800+ winning% when leading by 2 or more runs. The Sox are now 3-11. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: The rest of MLB owns an .800+ winning% when leading by 2 or more runs. The Sox are now 3-11. Again, we’re well rounded. What more do you want? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Firing Grifol is only part of the solution. Then the Sox need to do a real search, do real interviews and chose an experienced baseball man. Then let him pick his own coaching staff. Then let him do his job. Also, make sure he has no past connection to the Sox. Do things right for a change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, Highland said: Firing Grifol is only part of the solution. Then the Sox need to do a real search, do real interviews and chose an experienced baseball man. Then let him pick his own coaching staff. Then let him do his job. Also, make sure he has no past connection to the Sox. Do things right for a change. We’ve said this before with both GM and managerial hires but Reinsdorf insists on meddling. That’s not going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, Highland said: Firing Grifol is only part of the solution. Then the Sox need to do a real search, do real interviews and chose an experienced baseball man. Then let him pick his own coaching staff. Then let him do his job. Also, make sure he has no past connection to the Sox. Do things right for a change. Best I can do is Tony LaRussa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Best I can do is Tony LaRussa. He’s rejuvenated now with the time off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He’s rejuvenated now with the time off! We’ll use TLR in the first inning as an “opener.” We’ll break new ground in managerial analytics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boopa1219 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 20 hours ago, Rusty said: At the very least Katz has to go. You’d have to assume the pitching coach is highly complicit in the bullpen decisions and they are justifying a catcher with a .070 BA because he apparently manages the staff so well…ie, you are admitting that the pitching coach isn’t doing his job. I think you're caring too much about the bullpen of a team that is designed to lose 100+ games. Yeah the bullpen got worse this year, I think it may have something to do with Curt Hasler not being there but this is a team who is designed to lose 100+ games, so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 17 hours ago, Rusty said: You have the second worst ERA in the league. I don’t care who is on your staff…you fire the pitching coach. Crochet and Fedde are good in spite of Katz. Former Sox pitchers certainly aren’t struggling so far this season. https://x.com/markpotash/status/1801370013846196246?s=46&t=qxRA7RqZFEUjHM1VOzfOUA I get a sense MLB messed with the balls again this year. League wide ERA is down from 4.33 last year to 3.97 this year and homers are the lowest since 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: We’ve said this before with both GM and managerial hires but Reinsdorf insists on meddling. That’s not going to change. Just like many things that don't change. That is what is discouraging. My point is firing Grifol just to replace him with another one like him doesn't do much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Hearing a report of the Bob Nightengale's comment that Pedro will manage out the season b/c he's paid for, and why pay someone else... I have a serious thought. If I'm the chairman, I'm telling Getz to fire Grifol and take over managing the club for the rest of this year (at no extra pay) in order to do a full evaluation of environment, talent, coaches, etc. Or perhaps Getz suggests it to J.R. Of course it's unorthodox. But desperate times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Watching an archived MLB Network White Sox special from spring training this past year… hysterical. Pedro is sitting at the front of a room full of staff, “when we play other teams they need to know who the f*** we are…” Oh Pedro… other teams know who the f*** we are… in all the worst ways. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 On 6/14/2024 at 5:17 PM, buckweaver said: Hearing a report of the Bob Nightengale's comment that Pedro will manage out the season b/c he's paid for, and why pay someone else... I have a serious thought. If I'm the chairman, I'm telling Getz to fire Grifol and take over managing the club for the rest of this year (at no extra pay) in order to do a full evaluation of environment, talent, coaches, etc. Or perhaps Getz suggests it to J.R. Of course it's unorthodox. But desperate times... 85 percent of the team will be different next year. How would that accomplish anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: 85 percent of the team will be different next year. How would that accomplish anything? B/c Getz is the one who decides the other 15 percent and hires the new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Pedro's peers in history : Scout for General Custer Iceberg spotter on the Titanic 3 Mile Island Coolant Engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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