After an exhaustive search, Getz named GM/VP

[Quin]

Just now, Jake said:

Yeah I don't find that whole group over there to be very knowledgeable or reliable. Chuck is fine as a reporter because he can get access to people and ask them questions. The rest of those guys on NBCSN, I see them as existing for entertainment purposes only.

I switched when Vinnie Duber left because he was the voice of reason on that podcast because he takes his reporter role seriously. They don't get the same level of guests on CHGO - but I can always listen to the NBCSN one when they have a guest.

Otherwise, you have a clearly still bitter Ozzie, Chuck who has long since lost his shine, Guff who is OK, and Pods who is fun to listen to but is just a personality.

[caulfield12]

Where was everyone before it got to this point, though?

The combination of Abreu Lynn Middleton opening up to clubhouse issues...embarrassment over Anderson vs. Ramirez, so much bad news came almost simultaneously that it simply overwhelmed the front office...in conjunction with the daily horrendous mistakes on the field and rudderless team lacking in managerial leadership as well.

Bevington's name kept coming up even.

[South Side Hit Men]

11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Just to stress, if this is the case then  it is flagrant flaunting of the Selig rule. MLB might let him off the hook for it again, but his fans shouldn’t and whoever they use for the sham interview also shouldn’t.

There was likely a quid pro quo, Willie wanting to return to Chicago and Jerry calling in a favor from the Cubs. Perhaps the Cubs did a favor for the Reds.

Jerry set up Tony in Oakland, these owners ship / vouch for people all the time.

There has not been any consequences beyond fines for all but one owner (Marge Schott) since Jerry shitcanned Fay Vincent and installed his used car salesman puppet. 

Marge made Donald Sterling, Robert Sarver, Dan Snyder, Jerry Richardson and dozens of other scumbag owners appear woke in comparison.

[ScootsMcGoots]

22 minutes ago, Quin said:

I switched when Vinnie Duber left because he was the voice of reason on that podcast because he takes his reporter role seriously. They don't get the same level of guests on CHGO - but I can always listen to the NBCSN one when they have a guest.

Otherwise, you have a clearly still bitter Ozzie, Chuck who has long since lost his shine, Guff who is OK, and Pods who is fun to listen to but is just a personality.

I actually really enjoy listening to Guff. I like Chuck too...but I think he would be much better in a world where the Sox are winners...and I like Ozzie some of the time. It might be because of the language barrier but sometimes what he says is just like...what the hell is he trying to say? Lol

[Chisoxmb35]

1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

It's very interesting that Getz would be the guy in charge. I wonder if that means Moore would be in a head of scouting type roll.  That would fantastic.  That's a roll Moore would excel in. He's an excellent scout. 

Until he puts on an "anti porn" seminar for our Minor League players and tries to convert them and or only draft Christian players (which he in fact did in KC). Keep this guy far, far, far away from White Sox Business.

[DirtySox]

Please be any of these instead of Getz/Moore. I beg you.

[Kyyle23]

I kind of wish there was video of the anti porn seminar so I could see the faces when he tries to sell a bunch of 20 year old elite athletes on abstinence ?

[bmags]

17 minutes ago, Jake said:

I don't buy that Jerry is too old to run a real search. The Bulls just hired a couple guys with no ties to the organization, quite possibly guys that Jerry had never heard of at the time he fired GarPax. I know his son is more involved in that organization, but whether this is an internal hire or not probably has nothing to do with Jerry feeling tired by the thought of paying a firm to field job candidates for him.

For now, I'm just going to do my best to resist the urge to get too mad about a thing that hasn't happened yet. There will be plenty of time to get mad later. Hate to say it but my Sox fandom is probably changing either way. My older brother, who I chat with about the Sox near-daily, has decided to check out from baseball. My dad, a fan of the Sox since the South Side Hit Men and another person I talk to about the Sox near-daily, is wondering whether he should defect to the Cardinals. And I'm seeing many people on Twitter etc. saying similar things. Going to get lonely out here in Sox world soon if things don't improve, but for now I'm in no rush to take Bob Nightengale's predictions as 100% truth.

FWIW, hard for me to imagine following another team since I hate so many of them (especially the Cubs/Cards) and I don't really have a local team here in the South where I live now (the Braves are closest, but screw them)

I feel a lot of this. I'm gonna be honest, I have watched under 10 games this year. I've gone to only 1. If you were to tell me after the loss in 2021 that that happened, I'd OF COURSE have believed you, but would have been crushed. Crazy it's only 1.5 years from then to here.

But, I do think if somehow Mike RIzzo shows up, I'll probably snap back into gear. I do think building a winning baseball org is by far the most interesting task in sports. It's a shame we had 20 years of guys who would rather play golf.

[hogan873]

2 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Please be any of these instead of Getz/Moore. I beg you.

Yeah, please.  I understand Getz being the top internal candidate because, who else?  It is refreshing to see someone other than Boob saying something.  Probably no more than speculation/guessing from Morosi, but at least it's something.

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Please be any of these instead of Getz/Moore. I beg you.

"Mattingly was named the Philadelphia Phillies' director of player development in September, after spending the past five seasons with the San Diego Padres. He was the Padres' manager of scouting for three years before becoming coordinator of major league advance scouting and game planning."

 

Uh oh automatically disqualified by Padres' ties lol.

In all seriousness...would be great to pair him with Montgomery.  

[SoCalChiSox]

I wonder if Mattingly is a recommendation from Dombrowski since JR knows him.

[bmags]

8 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Please be any of these instead of Getz/Moore. I beg you.

sadly, I can't think of a single instance Morosi has had his pulse on where the sox were going.

At this point, I need to hear real momentum on Rizzo's contract breaking down. But I'd still feel (for mizzou fans) like we'd just be the foil for a new deal.

I could believe Rizzo gets this job. I have to imagine JR was horrified that Click had to be fired because he wasn't best friends with the owner.

 

[Quin]

10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I kind of wish there was video of the anti porn seminar so I could see the faces when he tries to sell a bunch of 20 year old elite athletes on abstinence ?

Hiding behind sunglasses.

[Bob Sacamano]

Click would be awesome but this doesn’t necessarily say Sox are interested in possibly hiring. Just a list of guys out there really.

[DirtySox]

11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Click would be awesome but this doesn’t necessarily say Sox are interested in possibly hiring. Just a list of guys out there really.

Yea. It seems like pure speculation. Just looking for any hope to grasp at.

[chw42]

42 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I kind of wish there was video of the anti porn seminar so I could see the faces when he tries to sell a bunch of 20 year old elite athletes on abstinence ?

You could say that would be a Desastre Personal for Moncada. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Cali, I'm telling you that it doesn't matter what Jerry wants or thinks, he's a business man. If I can model and project an roi based on these investments that exceeds the roi under the current structure, Jerry would buy in. The job of management is to push and sell these ideas to make them viable and feasible in ownerships eyes. 

I deal with this daily. C-suit and BOD's are hesitant to make overhauls or change. My job is to assess exposure/liability, identify gaps, and overhaul systematic structures to realign a business or process in a way that is beneficial for the organization. The most common thing I hear is we tried this a few years ago or etc and it was shot down so we stopped/gave up. This breeds complacency which is what we saw with the Sox. It's not that people like Jerry refuse to change, it's that the people around them accept the status quo and that permeates onto anyone who comes in below those leaders. 

It may seem simple to you but and to me the direction the Sox have to take. Maybe you should talk to @Lip Man 1 who is more a historian on how often Jerry has said he doesn't like to pay for youth. I just don't think you've been paying attention for the last 40 years. JR will not evolve. I find it hard to believe that someone under him has not suggested investing in youth and presented it in a way you suggest. In the Sox case there is only one person you would need to convince and that's JR. There is zero evidence to date that he doesn't think he knows best.

Maybe read this too https://theathletic.com/4800567/2023/08/23/chicago-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf-shakeup/     This is by Keith Law.

It was presented as not being behind a paywall. I was able to read it but many complained it was behind a paywall. But when the screen comes up to block it there is a small down arrow to move the screen out of the way.

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Yea. It seems like pure speculation. Just looking for any hope to grasp at.

Hell, just interview them! Perform a real search. Even if you have an early favorite, give other people fair opportunities to be considered for the position.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It was presented as not being behind a paywall. I was able to read it but many complained it was behind a paywall. But when the screen comes up to block it there is a small down arrow to move the screen out of the way.

That's all I Getz. 

[South Side Hit Men]

1 hour ago, Chisoxmb35 said:

Until he puts on an "anti porn" seminar for our Minor League players and tries to convert them and or only draft Christian players (which he in fact did in KC). Keep this guy far, far, far away from White Sox Business.

Moore was fine defending Luke Heimlick who as a teen molested his 6 year old niece.

No legitimate reason to sign this guy period, let alone hand him a job without a legitimate job search because he is Chris Getz’ “MLB Front Office Daddy.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/dayton-moores-defense-of-luke-heimlich-stinks-to-high-heavens

Edited August 24, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[Kyyle23]

1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Moore was fine defending Luke Holcomb who as a teen molested his 6 year old niece.

No legitimate reason to sign this guy period, let alone hand him a job without a legitimate job search because he is Chris Getz’ “MLB Front Office Daddy.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/dayton-moores-defense-of-luke-heimlich-stinks-to-high-heavens

Heimlich, not Holcomb

[Dick Allen]

Just now, South Side Hit Men said:

Moore was fine defending Luke Holcomb who as a teen molested his 6 year old niece.

No legitimate reason to sign this guy period, let alone hand him a job without a legitimate job search because he is Chris Getz’ “MLB Front Office Daddy.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/dayton-moores-defense-of-luke-heimlich-stinks-to-high-heavens

He is also one of Tony LaRussa's favorites. I know some insiders are saying LaRussa has nothing to do with this, but the timing is suspicious, especially with Tony returning to GR Field. 

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Moore was fine defending Luke Holcomb who as a teen molested his 6 year old niece.

No legitimate reason to sign this guy period, let alone hand him a job without a legitimate job search because he is Chris Getz’ “MLB Front Office Daddy.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/dayton-moores-defense-of-luke-heimlich-stinks-to-high-heavens

https://theathletic.com/409033/2018/06/26/dayton-moore-is-advocating-for-luke-heimlich-but-if-the-royals-eventually-sign-him-it-will-be-ownerships-call/

Heimlich...

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

It's very interesting that Getz would be the guy in charge. I wonder if that means Moore would be in a head of scouting type roll.  That would fantastic.  That's a roll Moore would excel in. He's an excellent scout. 

Sure if you want Moore to write better scouting reports for Christian players because he would rather  they be drafted ahead of anyone else. Can he still be objective when he has religious beliefs that may cause him to be biased ? This is why no one wants him in any capacity. Team chaplain maybe if they have such things. More of a college thing.

[Tony]

14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Hell, just interview them! Perform a real search. Even if you have an early favorite, give other people fair opportunities to be considered for the position.

As I said last night, it can't be understated how much value there is in talking to 5-10 different candidates for the job that come from different backgrounds and organizations, and get free insight into what needs to be done to fix your organization. 

But as we've seen with the Sox and Bulls, that's simply not how Jerry does business. He's smarter than everyone else.