After an exhaustive search, Getz named GM/VP

[Timmy U]

13 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Hell, just interview them! Perform a real search. Even if you have an early favorite, give other people fair opportunities to be considered for the position.

Yeah, so many reasons to interview outsiders. A) Maybe you learn something about best industry practices and how your team is perceived B) Fig leaf for the fans. "We talked to a million people. Turns out the best guy on the planet was right down the hall." C) The perception of fairness both in hiring the best candidate but also being a search of a lot of diverse candidates.  I don't think mlb has the equivalent of the Rooney Rule, but in a sport that features a diverse collection of players from literally all over the world, its nice to think that hear from a pretty wide set of people. 

[caulfield12]

Grifol offers high praise for GM candidate Getz…as does Kopech

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-options-for-next-general-manager#:~:text=“He's 24%2F7%2C extremely,well-equipped for this.”
 

“He’s extremely articulate, he’s smart, he’s been around,” said Grifol of Getz. “He’s got experience. Player development really prepares people to do this type of stuff. He’s got experience in the clubhouse as a player, and as an executive. He’s well-equipped to do what he’s being asked to do.

“Even as a player, you can tell he had characteristics of becoming an executive at some point if he chose to go that route. And then when he got into the front office, I know he was highly regarded as a young executive. He’s certainly equipped to do what he’s being asked to do by Jerry right now.”

Getz and Jeremy Haber, another White Sox assistant general manager, are currently overseeing the club’s day-to-day operations, although in answering a question about fundamental things needing to change within the organization, Grifol referred to Getz as “leading us right now.”

…..

“He’s 24/7, extremely smart, knows the organization,” said Grifol of Getz. “Understands moves, understands personalities and the mind that it takes to move to the next level, the timing it takes to move to the next level. He’s really smart and he’s well-equipped for this.”

“I have a good relationship with Chris,” said White Sox starting pitcher Michael Kopech, who worked four scoreless innings, striking out five and walking four, before leaving with leg cramps against Seattle. “He used to be a player himself and so he’s got a respect for the guys who go out there and work hard on the field. If he’s the one doing the job, I think he’ll do a great job.”

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

That's all I Getz. 

You clicked the link I gave ? I thought I was blocked when whoever 1st gave the link put it up but I found a way around it just by scrolling and finding the down arrow I mentioned.. I've never subscribed to The Athletic . There may be only a certain amount of times per month you can view content for free. Once you surpass it it's unviewable until the next month or however they do it.

[Quin]

Just now, caulfield12 said:

Grifol offers high praise for GM candidate Getz…as does Kopech

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-options-for-next-general-manager#:~:text=“He's 24%2F7%2C extremely,well-equipped for this.”
 

 

I mean, what do you want the current manager and a player to say about a fellow org member and current acting GM? That he sucks ass?

[Tnetennba]

1 hour ago, DirtySox said:

Please be any of these instead of Getz/Moore. I beg you.

So who is feeding Morosi info to throw us off the scent that it was always gonna be Getz?

[Dick Allen]

4 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Yeah, so many reasons to interview outsiders. A) Maybe you learn something about best industry practices and how your team is perceived B) Fig leaf for the fans. "We talked to a million people. Turns out the best guy on the planet was right down the hall." C) The perception of fairness both in hiring the best candidate but also being a search of a lot of diverse candidates.  I don't think mlb has the equivalent of the Rooney Rule, but in a sport that features a diverse collection of players from literally all over the world, its nice to think that hear from a pretty wide set of people. 

It was supposedly what the did with the manager, yet in the end, they wound up hiring a guy who just said what they wanted to hear. This would be no different. JR thinks everything he does is done correctly. The results indicate otherwise.

[Tnetennba]

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

I kind of wish there was video of the anti porn seminar so I could see the faces when he tries to sell a bunch of 20 year old elite athletes on abstinence ?

How many players were watching porn on their phones in the middle of it??

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, Quin said:

I mean, what do you want the current manager and a player to say about a fellow org member and current acting GM? That he sucks ass?

Actually, he just kept repeating the main point.

And the ONLY way he saves his job is Getz/Moore/TLR/Hostetler/Buddy Bell going to JR and asking him to be spared … heck, throw in George Brett, all advocating for him getting another shot with a cleaner slate next year.

Edited August 24, 2023 by caulfield12

[South Side Hit Men]

4 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Yeah, so many reasons to interview outsiders. A) Maybe you learn something about best industry practices and how your team is perceived B) Fig leaf for the fans. "We talked to a million people. Turns out the best guy on the planet was right down the hall." C) The perception of fairness both in hiring the best candidate but also being a search of a lot of diverse candidates.  I don't think mlb has the equivalent of the Rooney Rule, but in a sport that features a diverse collection of players from literally all over the world, its nice to think that hear from a pretty wide set of people. 

MLB has a formal Selig Rule in place for over two decades, 3 years before the Rooney Rule.

Whether owners follow it is another story.

https://www.mlb.com/news/richard-justice-selig-rule-first-of-its-kind-in-sports/c-58500104

“The Selig Rule requires every club to consider minority candidates "for all general manager, assistant general manager, field manager, director of player development and director of scouting positions."

 

 

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Yeah, so many reasons to interview outsiders. A) Maybe you learn something about best industry practices and how your team is perceived B) Fig leaf for the fans. "We talked to a million people. Turns out the best guy on the planet was right down the hall." C) The perception of fairness both in hiring the best candidate but also being a search of a lot of diverse candidates.  I don't think mlb has the equivalent of the Rooney Rule, but in a sport that features a diverse collection of players from literally all over the world, its nice to think that hear from a pretty wide set of people. 

It's called the Selig rule, it actually predates the Rooney Rule and it is written with the same setup in mind. The White Sox are required to conduct an actual interview with a minority candidate for head coach and management positions.

In 2021, Jerry Reinsdorf personally flouted this rule in order to hire Tony LaRussa. He brought in Willie Harris, one of his former players, for a sham interview with no actual chance of being hired. Willie went along with this, most likely a combination of him needing the experience and him being unwilling to burn a bridge with the White Sox. Reinsdorf was somewhat given a pass for this as he does have a long history of employing and promoting minority candidates for those positions and it may have been a one time thing to hire a friend of his. Hell, Jerry Reinsdorf was instrumental in the creation of the Selig Rule, he's actually pictured in the article I linked above!

If, however he wants to make it a habit of flouting the Selig rule and conducting dishonest, sham interviews, we should label it as what it is - a shift towards a racist hiring pattern, and he should get sued by the people he is abusing in that process. While Chris Getz may not have been willing to burn that bridge, right now the NFL is facing a discrimination lawsuit for exactly this same sort of behavior by a person who was willing to do so. 

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-coach-brian-flores-football-discrimination-lawsuit-5322d8efcb685c9508e703cd40c3a5f1

[DFAthewave69420]

 

Preston Mattingly seems like a breath of fresh air.

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by DFAthewave69420

[Balta1701]

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It was supposedly what the did with the manager, yet in the end, they wound up hiring a guy who just said what they wanted to hear. This would be no different. JR thinks everything he does is done correctly. The results indicate otherwise.

There were some other factors there.

1. Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn were likely heavily involved in this process and they were absolutely key to the "Yes man" culture in the White Sox's organization.

2. There is a very good chance that qualified people did not want to come to the White Sox when Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn were conducting that process and when they could see easily how badly built this team was. The best manager in the world right now would be sitting there taking the blame for a team 25 games below .500, with the GM that hired them having been fired.

[Timmy U]

What Kopech said is the most positive evaluation of Getz I've seen.  Grifol realizes if an outsider comes in, he's fired. So, naturally, he's going to say nice things.

One of the reasons the Sox have been in disarray is the chaotic nature of Hahn/Haber never having played the game and maybe seeing everyone as pieces on a chess board and, therefore, being seen as weasels versus KW being a confrontational maniac.  It's possible that Getz will strike a completely different tone that will allow a culture to develop naturally.

My question is "Can he build the organizational machine that evaluates and develops talent which can then be integrated into your locker room?"  It's one thing to make everyone feel good. It's another thing to get the right people in the right chairs assigned to the proper tasks that allows your group to outcompete others every day, so that incrementally you're always getting better.  That's the head guy's job no matter if you run a bank, a TV show, or a sports team.  It's not easy and it doesn't happen overnight.  But the first piece is "What would a well-run machine even look like?"  If he doesn't have an answer to that on Day 1, he's doomed.

[NCsoxfan]

Dang, I feel bad for Hahn after reading some of these articles. 
 

He was in a really shitty position. No win working for KW and Jerry. Sheesh.

[Timmy U]

If Mike Shirley gets a vote, he'd go Preston Mattingly. Loves those Indiana preps.

[Tnetennba]

7 minutes ago, NCsoxfan said:

Dang, I feel bad for Hahn after reading some of these articles. 
 

He was in a really shitty position. No win working for KW and Jerry. Sheesh.

Hahn was GM for 11 years. He made his bed.  Zero sympathy from me.

[South Side Fireworks Man]

17 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

It's called the Selig rule, it actually predates the Rooney Rule and it is written with the same setup in mind. The White Sox are required to conduct an actual interview with a minority candidate for head coach and management positions.

In 2021, Jerry Reinsdorf personally flouted this rule in order to hire Tony LaRussa. He brought in Willie Harris, one of his former players, for a sham interview with no actual chance of being hired. Willie went along with this, most likely a combination of him needing the experience and him being unwilling to burn a bridge with the White Sox. Reinsdorf was somewhat given a pass for this as he does have a long history of employing and promoting minority candidates for those positions and it may have been a one time thing to hire a friend of his. Hell, Jerry Reinsdorf was instrumental in the creation of the Selig Rule, he's actually pictured in the article I linked above!

If, however he wants to make it a habit of flouting the Selig rule and conducting dishonest, sham interviews, we should label it as what it is - a shift towards a racist hiring pattern, and he should get sued by the people he is abusing in that process. While Chris Getz may not have been willing to burn that bridge, right now the NFL is facing a discrimination lawsuit for exactly this same sort of behavior by a person who was willing to do so. 

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-coach-brian-flores-football-discrimination-lawsuit-5322d8efcb685c9508e703cd40c3a5f1

Everything Reinsdorf does is a sham.  Race has nothing to do with it.

[SoCalChiSox]

29 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Grifol offers high praise for GM candidate Getz…as does Kopech

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-options-for-next-general-manager#:~:text=“He's 24%2F7%2C extremely,well-equipped for this.”
 

“He’s extremely articulate, he’s smart, he’s been around,” said Grifol of Getz. “He’s got experience. Player development really prepares people to do this type of stuff. He’s got experience in the clubhouse as a player, and as an executive. He’s well-equipped to do what he’s being asked to do.

“Even as a player, you can tell he had characteristics of becoming an executive at some point if he chose to go that route. And then when he got into the front office, I know he was highly regarded as a young executive. He’s certainly equipped to do what he’s being asked to do by Jerry right now.”

Getz and Jeremy Haber, another White Sox assistant general manager, are currently overseeing the club’s day-to-day operations, although in answering a question about fundamental things needing to change within the organization, Grifol referred to Getz as “leading us right now.”

…..

“He’s 24/7, extremely smart, knows the organization,” said Grifol of Getz. “Understands moves, understands personalities and the mind that it takes to move to the next level, the timing it takes to move to the next level. He’s really smart and he’s well-equipped for this.”

“I have a good relationship with Chris,” said White Sox starting pitcher Michael Kopech, who worked four scoreless innings, striking out five and walking four, before leaving with leg cramps against Seattle. “He used to be a player himself and so he’s got a respect for the guys who go out there and work hard on the field. If he’s the one doing the job, I think he’ll do a great job.”

 

This is absolutely disgusting. 

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Everything Reinsdorf does is a sham.  Race has nothing to do with it.

If he is going to start taking actions that repeatedly lead to only white men being considered for key positions, actions that he himself worked to limit 25 years ago in baseball because of how race factored into it, then yes race is a factor. Not only should we not tolerate it, but we should call it out publicly. 

[South Side Hit Men]

18 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said:

 

Preston Mattingly seems like a breath of fresh air.

 

If only the Sox had an owner or front office who did more than talk the talk, all the while reaping the majority of the team's revenue. The Phillies appear to have an owner and FO committed to fielding a team and staff people can respect and feel good about supporting, including Dave Dombrowski jettisoned by Jerry nearly four decades ago.

There is a very low bar to be considered an acceptable steward of the game and team, and the three (JR, KW, RH) haven't meet these low standards for at least a decade. Little faith CG DM and TLR will either if that is what happens.

[Buehrle>Wood]

8 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

This is absolutely disgusting. 

I mean unless I'm missing something there, do you expect them to say anything else? Just seems like boilerplate stuff. Of course they're not going to go against the guy who is currently their boss.

[South Side Hit Men]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If he is going to start taking actions that repeatedly lead to only white men being considered for key positions, actions that he himself worked to limit 25 years ago in baseball because of how race factored into it, then yes race is a factor. Not only should we not tolerate it, but we should call it out publicly. 

It would be nice to hear from Mellody Hobson, who allegedly holds the largest ownership percentage of shares in the White Sox, her thoughts on the Willie Harris interview process, and Tony La Russa's hiring and continued interference with the ballclub.

White Sox Owners and Front Office - Zero Leadership, talk the talk, never walk the walk. Meet me at the parade, first class baseball organization, competitive teams, the money will be spent, multi championship window. Bullshit, all of it.

MLB Commissioner - Georgia politics bad. Racist chop, team name and imagery good, "a local market decision". 

 

 

[Quin]

13 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

I mean unless I'm missing something there, do you expect them to say anything else? Just seems like boilerplate stuff. Of course they're not going to go against the guy who is currently their boss.

It's like the people on this board that rage against Merkin for writing puff pieces on the Sox.

Like, sure, go talk s%*# about your boss and see how long you stay employed.

[Y2Jimmy0]

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

He is also one of Tony LaRussa's favorites. I know some insiders are saying LaRussa has nothing to do with this, but the timing is suspicious, especially with Tony returning to GR Field. 

I think La Russa is the one talking to Nightengale 

[Kyyle23]

2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I think La Russa is the one talking to Nightengale 

Do you think TLR is “helping” out or are you with McGuffey saying he is not being brought in as a consultant