Fire Chris Getz

[Milkman delivers]

1 minute ago, GREEDY said:

I watched Clayton Kershaw face Luis Robert on a side field at Camelback about 5 years ago.  Getz was sitting next to me on the park district style bleachers.  Instead of watching he was playing Candy Crush on his phone. 

Now think hard because this is important. What level was he on?

[pcq]

I am surprised at Jerry ignoring any pretense of diversity while hiring an empty suit from inside. Getz has not really succeeded at anything that I can recall. This is the old boys network in action (inaction).

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

1 hour ago, GREEDY said:

I watched Clayton Kershaw face Luis Robert on a side field at Camelback about 5 years ago.  Getz was sitting next to me on the park district style bleachers.  Instead of watching he was playing Candy Crush on his phone. 

I know how that feels. I, too, try to avoid looking directly into Clayton's dreamy eyes. 

[nitetrain8601]

Getz pulled a coup. Jesse Rogers speculating what others have, he had Jerry's ears this season.

[soulfly]

3 hours ago, GREEDY said:

I watched Clayton Kershaw face Luis Robert on a side field at Camelback about 5 years ago.  Getz was sitting next to me on the park district style bleachers.  Instead of watching he was playing Candy Crush on his phone. 

HOW ELSE WOULD YOU BEAT LEVEL 1254??  I mean, come on.

[South Side Hit Men]

26 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said:

Getz pulled a coup. Jesse Rogers speculating what others have, he had Jerry's ears this season.

That how the Sox ended up with Hawk.

[Timmy U]

47 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said:

Getz pulled a coup. Jesse Rogers speculating what others have, he had Jerry's ears this season.

That's not speculation. It's right in the press release.

[southsideirish71]

5 hours ago, nitetrain8601 said:

Getz pulled a coup. Jesse Rogers speculating what others have, he had Jerry's ears this season.

So the new GM is a piece of s%*#.  Great.  Well he can tell the story of he once was a GM after this disaster of an owner takes his permanent dirt nap and no one will hire him.  

[Balta1701]

If Chris Getz had any dignity he would have turned this down.

[Chisoxfn]

14 hours ago, Milkman delivers said:

Now think hard because this is important. What level was he on?

Post of the day haha 

[Chisoxfn]

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

If Chris Getz had any dignity he would have turned this down.

This is just crazy talk. GM job is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He doesn’t have the resume to deserve the job but that doesn’t mean you don’t interview and try in this scenario. I presume in his mind he had the swagger to say - I can do this and I would hope if he has that swagger he also has big ideas. Whether they are good ideas or he can actually take an idea and make it a reality - whole nother story. 
 

I have had good bosses and bad bosses - just cause I worked for some bad bosses, doesn’t mean I am not very good at what I do and I’ll also say I have learned just as much in my career from shitty bosses as good ones, so maybe Getz has seen how bad it is here and has connections and tied and immediately starts making good changes. 
 

Note: in zero way am I defending the hire - I would have done spend 2-3 weeks interviewing and getting insights. Maybe Getz is the best after that but spend 2 weeks to gain viewpoints and than hire Getz if that is what you do. 

[Chimpton]

With the statements in JR's interview I think it is fair to say that any GM would struggle let alone an inexperienced over promoted one. Getz may be better than Hahn or he may be worse, but until JR is no longer owner whoever is trying to GM will have one or even both hands tied behind his back. 

[Balta1701]

8 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

This is just crazy talk. GM job is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He doesn’t have the resume to deserve the job but that doesn’t mean you don’t interview and try in this scenario. I presume in his mind he had the swagger to say - I can do this and I would hope if he has that swagger he also has big ideas. Whether they are good ideas or he can actually take an idea and make it a reality - whole nother story. 
 

I have had good bosses and bad bosses - just cause I worked for some bad bosses, doesn’t mean I am not very good at what I do and I’ll also say I have learned just as much in my career from shitty bosses as good ones, so maybe Getz has seen how bad it is here and has connections and tied and immediately starts making good changes. 
 

Note: in zero way am I defending the hire - I would have done spend 2-3 weeks interviewing and getting insights. Maybe Getz is the best after that but spend 2 weeks to gain viewpoints and than hire Getz if that is what you do. 

I have a certain background and set of experiences as a planetary scientist and educator. If someone came to me with a job offer today to manage a large NASA facility, it would be a once in a lifetime job roughly relevant to my research, with a solid pay raise possible. I would also turn it down flat, I wouldn’t have applied.

Why? Because I would be setting myself up for abject failure. There are too many things I have yet to do. Managing large budgets, managing big projects involving multiple scientists, working with engineers, working with government. I am gradually learning some of these skills, but today I would get into that office on day 1 with no idea of where to start, and the fact that I couldn’t plan anything I wanted to be my goals would sabotage me before I began. There are always some things you’d have to learn on the job, but if I was inexperienced enough that I had no concept of what to ask going in that’s no longer feasible. I’d not just be hurting me, I’d be hurting hundreds, maybe thousands of people who would be relying on me. If you came back in 15 years I might be well prepared for it, but if I took that job today it wouldn’t just be bad for me, it could set back the entire space program.

A perfect example is Getz being asked about changes he would make to the minor leagues yesterday and saying he will talk to Jerry about it. That should have been part of the hiring conversation, he should have laid out a plan for what needs to change in the organization before signing a contract and gotten all of this in writing. Delineating clear roles and responsibilities, establishing a plan going forward. Creating a plan for how he will be evaluated. Reinsdorf doesn’t want to waste next year and he wants to win “soon”. Do you believe Getz gave a detailed plan for how to do that? If he puts three 95 loss teams out there while emptying out the system of the last few drafts, does a 90 year old Reinsdorf fire him because he couldn’t get an impossible job done or does he hope that Reinsdorf just goes with his loyalty? If he were ready for this job he should have pushed back on the notion that he could pull off a miracle before he agreed to the job, Reinsdorf should have never been allowed by his GM to offer that standard yesterday.

He doesn’t know what he needs to ask or to set up in order to be successful in this position. That alone has set him up for failure already and that’s why he should have been smart enough to turn this down. The fact that he didn’t do so actually says a lot about his lack of self awareness. Either he will rely on staying in this job because he’s Reinsdorf’s yes man and he lives forever, or this will be the last job he has in baseball because no one else wants that.

[Milkman delivers]

9 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

If Chris Getz had any dignity he would have turned this down.

 

8 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

This is just crazy talk. GM job is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He doesn’t have the resume to deserve the job but that doesn’t mean you don’t interview and try in this scenario. I presume in his mind he had the swagger to say - I can do this and I would hope if he has that swagger he also has big ideas. Whether they are good ideas or he can actually take an idea and make it a reality - whole nother story. 
 

I have had good bosses and bad bosses - just cause I worked for some bad bosses, doesn’t mean I am not very good at what I do and I’ll also say I have learned just as much in my career from shitty bosses as good ones, so maybe Getz has seen how bad it is here and has connections and tied and immediately starts making good changes. 
 

Note: in zero way am I defending the hire - I would have done spend 2-3 weeks interviewing and getting insights. Maybe Getz is the best after that but spend 2 weeks to gain viewpoints and than hire Getz if that is what you do. 

I think we’re gonna see that Getz is all credentials and nothing else. Or in Tex speak, all hat no cattle.

[South Side Hit Men]

This and Jerry is gone are the only two threads that matter until one or both happen.

Please pin or bump forevermore until this becomes reality.

White Sox General Manager Records through September 4, 2023

Ties excluded

1. .565 246 - 189 Hank Greenberg (1959 - August 25, 1961) (1959 A. L. Pennant)
2. .556 257 - 205 Charles Comiskey II & John Rigney (1956 - 1958)
3. .534 1,115 - 968 Charles Comiskey (1901 - 1914) (1906 World Series; 1901 A. L. Pennant)
4. .527 817 - 734 Ron Schueler (1990 - 2000) 
5. .521 1,014 - 931 Kenny Williams (2001 - 2012) (2005 World Series)
6. .511 749 - 717 Ed Short (August 26, 1961 - September 1, 1970)
7. .504 173 - 170 Stu Holcomb (September 2, 1970 - 1972)
8. .496 610 - 620 Frank Lane (1948 - 1955)
9. .489 999-1,042 Roland Hemond (1973 - 1985)
10. .487 2,285 - 2,408 Harry Grabiner (1915 - 1945) (1917 World Series; 1919 A. L. Pennant)
11. .481 311 - 335 Larry Himes (1987 - 1990)
12. .468 144 - 164 Leslie O'Connor (1946 - 1947)
13. .458 49 - 58 Tom Haller (June 10, 1986 - 1986)
14. .456 749 - 893 Rick Hahn (2013 - August 21, 2023)
15. .418 23 - 32 Hawk Harrelson (April 7,1986 - June 9, 1986)
16. .308 4 - 9 Chris Getz (August 22, 2023 - September 4, 2023)

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[South Side Hit Men]

Let's all remember this, the first of the decision in the Chris Getz Era.

White Sox now 0-5 since Chris Getz spoke to the clubhouse, and is 4-10 since Hahn was fired and he became interim GM on August 22, 2023.

The White Sox under Jerry Reinsdorf have a record of 1-42 in terms of seasons they have advanced in the playoffs (This is his 43rd season as owner, despite what the banner says), including the season Jerry preferred tossing a White Sox World Series appearance in the trash "to break the union".

 

Really hope Cincinnati advances this season to put the Sox 29th among existing teams over the past 43 years, and that Pittsburgh somehow advances in the future before Jerry's tenure is up, placing his White Sox in dead last.

# of Seasons Teams Have Advanced in the Playoffs (1981-1993 & 1995-2022)

1994 = F*** You Jerry

World Series Championship Season(s) & League Pennant Season(s) (Expansion-Relocation Seasons)

1. 16 New York Yankees 1981 1996 1998 1999 2000 2001 2003 2009
2. 14 Saint Louis Cardinals 1982 1985 1987 2004 2006 2011 2013
3. 10 Los Angeles Dodgers 1981 1988 2017 2018 2020
4. 10 Atlanta 1991 1992 1995 1996 1999 2021
5. 9 Boston Red Sox 1986 2004 2007 2013 2018
6. 9 Houston Astros 2005 2017 2019 2021 2022
7. 6 San Francisco Giants 1989 2002 2010 2012 2014
8. 6 Philadelphia Phillies 1983 1993 2008 2009 2022
9. 6 Oakland Athletics 1988 1989 1990
10. 6 Cleveland Guardians 1995 1997 2016
11. 5 New York Mets 1986 2000 2015
12. 5 Detroit Tigers 1984 2006 2012
13. 5 Baltimore Orioles 1983
14. 4 Toronto Blue Jays 1992 1993
15. 4 Chicago Cubs 2016
16. 4 Tampa Bay Rays 2008 2020 (1998-2022)
17. 4 San Diego Padres 1984 1998
18. 4 Seattle Mariners
19. 3 Kansas City Royals 1985 2014 2015
20. 3 Miami Marlins 1997 2003 (1993-2022)
21. 3 Minnesota Twins 1987 1991
22. 3 Anaheim Angels 2002
23. 3 Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 (1998-2022)
24. 3 Milwaukee Brewers 1982
25. 2 Texas Rangers 2010 2011
26. 2 Colorado Rockies 2007 (1993-2022)
27. 1 Washington Nationals 2019 (2005-2022)
28. 1 Chicago White Sox 2005
29. 1 Cincinnati Reds 1990
30. 1 Montreal Expos (1981-2004)
31. 1 Pittsburgh Pirates

#FireJerryReinsdorf #FireBrooksBoyer #FireChrisGetz #FirePedroGrifol

Edited September 6, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[JoeC]

“It’s important to provide stability for our players”

Really? THAT is the takeaway, Chris? What is it about this team, the effort you see, the body language they show… what is it about them that led you to THIS conclusion?

They need a shakeup and actions that clearly communicate that accountability is first and foremost. If you aren’t pulling your weight and holding each other (as players) accountable, then management will hold you accountable.

[South Side Hit Men]

Having two executives oversee Baseball Operations demonstrates the complexity involved in managing several different baseball operation areas, and in most instances owner commitment to adequately funding executive management, organizational infrastructure and on field product (A. L. Central Teams the primary exceptions).

Positive or Negative Winning Percentage (2013-2022) - Team - Last World Series Win (If Applicable)

Teams currently with a President Level Executive AND a seperate General Manager:

• .539 Boston (Chaim Bloom / Brian O'Halloran) - 2018 (David Dombrowski)
• .520 Chicago N. L. (Jed Hoyer / Carter Hawkins) - 2016 (Theo Epstein / Jed Hoyer)
• .557 Cleveland (Chris Antonetti / Mike Chernoff) - 1948 (Bill Veeck!)
• .613 Los Angeles N. L. (Andrew Friedman / Brandon Gomes) - 2020 (Andrew Friedman)
• .480 Minnesota (Derek Falvey / Thad Levine) - 1991 (Andy MacPhail)
• .464 Philadelphia (Dave Dombrowski / Sam Fuld) - 2008 (Pat Gillick)
• .559 Saint Louis (John Mozeliak / Mike Girsch) - 2011 (John Mozeliak)
• .505 San Francisco (Farhan Zaidi / Pete Putila) - 2014 (Brian Sabean)
• .502 Seattle (Jerry Dipoto / Justin Hollander) - Never (1977-2022)
• .533 Tampa Bay (Erik Neander / Peter Bendix) - Never (1998-2022)
• .507 Toronto (Mark Shapiro / Ross Atkins) - 1993  (Pat Gillick)

Atlanta and Houston are the outliers on the list below in terms of sustained postseason success in the 2010s/2020s, and they have both made substantial investments in beefing up their front office and on-field talent.

Teams currently with a "Single Baseball Decision Maker" (Combined President/EVP/SVP & GM Role):

• .464 Arizona (Mike Hazen) - 2001 (Joe Garagiola)
• .523 Atlanta (Alex Anthopoulos) - 2021 (Alex Anthopoulos)
• .453 Baltimore (Mike Elias) - 1983 (Henry Peters)
• .461 Chicago A. L. (Chris Getz) - 2005 (Kenny Williams)
• .451 Cincinnati (Nick Krall) - 1990 (Bob Quinn Sr.)
• .461 Colorado (Bill Schmidt) - Never (1993-2022)
• .452 Detroit (Scott Harris) - 1984 (Bill Lajoie)
• .548 Houston (Dana Brown) - 2022 (James Click)
• .470 Kansas City (J. J. Picollo) - 2015 (Dayton Moore)
• .489 Los Angeles A. L. (Perry Minasian) - 2002 (Bill Stoneman)
• .431 Miami (Kim Ng) - 2003 (Larry Beinfest)
• .512 Milwaukee (Matt Arnold) - Never (1970-2022)
• .565 New York A. L. (Brian Cashman) - 2009 (Brian Cashman)
• .505 New York N. L. (Billy Eppler) - 1986 (Frank Cashen)
• .509 Oakland (David Forst) - 1989 (Sandy Alderson)
• .479 Pittsburgh (Ben Cherington) - 1979 (Harding Peterson)
• .466 San Diego (A. J. Preller) - Never (1969-2022)
• .470 Texas (Chris Young) - Never (1972-2022)
• .513 Washington (Mike Rizzo) - 2019 (Mike Rizzo)

Edited September 6, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[Harry Chappas]

On 8/31/2023 at 11:55 PM, Chisoxfn said:

This is just crazy talk. GM job is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He doesn’t have the resume to deserve the job but that doesn’t mean you don’t interview and try in this scenario. I presume in his mind he had the swagger to say - I can do this and I would hope if he has that swagger he also has big ideas. Whether they are good ideas or he can actually take an idea and make it a reality - whole nother story. 
 

I have had good bosses and bad bosses - just cause I worked for some bad bosses, doesn’t mean I am not very good at what I do and I’ll also say I have learned just as much in my career from shitty bosses as good ones, so maybe Getz has seen how bad it is here and has connections and tied and immediately starts making good changes. 
 

Note: in zero way am I defending the hire - I would have done spend 2-3 weeks interviewing and getting insights. Maybe Getz is the best after that but spend 2 weeks to gain viewpoints and than hire Getz if that is what you do. 

Working for fools doesn't make him a fool but he has shown nothing to lead us to believe he is not a fool. 

He needed to tell the world why he was the right choice.  I have yet to see him tell me anything anyone that worked for the White Sox and was somewhat educated could state thus far.

He is going to be as epic a failure as anyone in that bird brained organization.

[TitoMB345]

I like Chris Getz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...said no one ever

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

I honestly think we may see a historic loss season next year.

[Kyyle23]

3 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I honestly think we may see a historic loss season next year.

I honestly want that.  Show JR that this absolutely can get worse, and maybe selling is the better idea

[Balta1701]

6 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I honestly think we may see a historic loss season next year.

Naw, they've got a good amount of money to spend and have several decent prospects to trade. This roster is still awful, but they can get themselves up to a 65-70 win team on paper and that will be enough to convince some people that they've done a great job and are set up to compete in the Central (If people talked themselves into the 2023 white sox being competitive, they'll believe the same thing next year). 

[T R U]

10 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I honestly think we may see a historic loss season next year.

How are we not, were going into next season with one starting pitcher and he has looked like hot garbage recently. They wont spend the money to fill 4 spots with competent arms.

Its going to be bad.

[soulfly]

1 hour ago, TitoMB345 said:

I like Chris Getz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...said no one ever

You had me in the first half