caulfield12 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Lance Lynn was not on the dodgers this season, and Jesse Chavez? lol come on See first sentence. We might as well be accurate if everyone is going to be listed. And Chavez got rocked in Sox ST, pretty much everyone simply said it won’t matter in the regular season…when the lights are on. And they were absolutely right. He did his job…how many in the Sox bullpen this year could one say that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: See first sentence. We might as well be accurate if everyone is going to be listed. And Chavez got rocked in Sox ST, pretty much everyone simply said it won’t matter in the regular season…when the lights are on. And they were absolutely right. He did his job…how many in the Sox bullpen this year could one say that about? The first sentence about former Sox players in the playoffs. Again, Lynn is on the cardinals last I checked. Chavez isn’t an ex Sox but you can do whatever you want with naming all these guys if it makes you happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: The first sentence about former Sox players in the playoffs. Again, Lynn is on the cardinals last I checked. Chavez isn’t an ex Sox but you can do whatever you want with naming all these guys if it makes you happy So technically Tatis doesn't fit because he never had an official MilB at-bat? Did Chavez not have a contract with the White Sox in spring training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) Tobias Myers starting for the Brewers tonight in the most important game of the season against the Mets. Released by Chris Getz in 2022. http://www.google.com.hk/url?q=https://twitter.com/draftniks/status/1841979519583859147%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjEzbjMq_OIAxWMHjQIHfWqHdsQglR6BAgIEAI&usg=AOvVaw03NHklzciIW72EnWcojGcD Tobias Myers pitching for Brewers vs Mets in Game 3 Almost right out of the gate in the 2024 season, the Brewers faced significant injuries to its starting pitching staff. Enter Tobias Myers. He delivered for the Brewers and then some. Just two years ago, in his seventh minor-league season, Myers went 1-15 with a 7.82 ERA at Class AAA and was cut by three teams. The Brewers signed him and now, two years later, he's been the team's best pitcher. He pitched his first big-league game April 23 and never left the rotation. He started 25 games and played a big part in stabalizing the rotation. The 26-year-old Myers led the Brewers starters with a 3.00 ERA and, during a three-month period beginning in June, he had the best ERA in baseball. For the season, he had a 1.17 WHIP, posted 127 strikeouts and finished with a 9-6 record. https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2024/10/03/tobias-myers-brewers-starting-pitchers-playoffs-vs-mets-stats/75497575007/ Edited October 3 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5730764/2024/08/29/tobias-myers-brewers-rookie-success/ --Released by White SoxFree Agt--No24.045 20222022-09-052022-09-19CHAAAAOutrighted to minorsMinorsCharlotte (IL2)No24.031 20222022-08-022022-09-05CHAAAAClaimed off waivers from San Francisco Giants by Chicago White SoxMinorsCharlotte (IL2)Yes23.362 20222022-07-312022-08-02SFNMLBDesignated for AssignmentDFA--No23.360 20222022-07-072022-07-31SFNAAATraded from Guardians to GiantsMinorsSacramento (PCL2)Yes23.336 20222022-07-022022-07-07CLEMLBDesignated for AssignmentDFA--No23.331 20222022-04-022022-07-02CLEAAAAssigned to Columbus Clippers (AAA)MinorsColumbus (IL2)Yes23.240 20212021-11-192022-04-02CLEMLBTraded from Rays to Guadians for Junior Caminero + Contract purchased Went from Rays to Guardians to SFG to Sox within one calendar year. Then signed by Brewers. Edited October 3 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 17 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5730764/2024/08/29/tobias-myers-brewers-rookie-success/ --Released by White SoxFree Agt--No24.045 20222022-09-052022-09-19CHAAAAOutrighted to minorsMinorsCharlotte (IL2)No24.031 20222022-08-022022-09-05CHAAAAClaimed off waivers from San Francisco Giants by Chicago White SoxMinorsCharlotte (IL2)Yes23.362 20222022-07-312022-08-02SFNMLBDesignated for AssignmentDFA--No23.360 20222022-07-072022-07-31SFNAAATraded from Guardians to GiantsMinorsSacramento (PCL2)Yes23.336 20222022-07-022022-07-07CLEMLBDesignated for AssignmentDFA--No23.331 20222022-04-022022-07-02CLEAAAAssigned to Columbus Clippers (AAA)MinorsColumbus (IL2)Yes23.240 20212021-11-192022-04-02CLEMLBTraded from Rays to Guadians for Junior Caminero + Contract purchased Went from Rays to Guardians to SFG to Sox within one calendar year. Then signed by Brewers. They had reason to release him. Under the Chris Getz developmental program, he was 0-6 with a 15.92 ERA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 47 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: They had reason to release him. Under the Chris Getz developmental program, he was 0-6 with a 15.92 ERA He looked like one of the best starters in baseball last night. Brewers’ Twitter all over how their Pitching Lab turned him around… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 I was just sitting around and got pissed off again. Seriously, how in the hell in a sellers market did Getz do a 3 team trade and give away Fedde and Kopech and get back a pile of crap? It must have been my subconscious saying, "bump the thread before it reaches page 2 again"......thank you subconscious. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, wegner said: I was just sitting around and got pissed off again. Seriously, how in the hell in a sellers market did Getz do a 3 team trade and give away Fedde and Kopech and get back a pile of crap? It must have been my subconscious saying, "bump the thread before it reaches page 2 again"......thank you subconscious. Because Getz listened to the assistant hitting coach he fired a week later. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 This Vargas trade was obviously terrible the moment it was announced, but with how bad Vargas was afterwards, this could be one of the worst trades in Sox history, non-Tatis division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 4 minutes ago, Timmy U said: This Vargas trade was obviously terrible the moment it was announced, but with how bad Vargas was afterwards, this could be one of the worst trades in Sox history, non-Tatis division. Tatis blossomed after the trade and its questionable whether he would have developed the same here. Where as Vargas sucked before it and there was a large sample of him sucking. I would venture that targeting Vargas was much, much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 10 minutes ago, Timmy U said: This Vargas trade was obviously terrible the moment it was announced, but with how bad Vargas was afterwards, this could be one of the worst trades in Sox history, non-Tatis division. The White Sox gave up 2 guys who each had 1.5 years of control. This is nothing close to Hahn’s worst for that alone - if Kopech wins the NL cy young next year, not only was he not winning the AL one here, but he’s immediately a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The White Sox gave up 2 guys who each had 1.5 years of control. This is nothing close to Hahn’s worst for that alone - if Kopech wins the NL cy young next year, not only was he not winning the AL one here, but he’s immediately a free agent. It was mainly bad because he gave up a cheap 5+ WAR starter with another cheap year of control and got back a player that the prospect shine had already worn off of. Why Getz didn’t go the all prospect route for the main return piece (e.g., Luke Keaschall), especially with the state of this team, I will never know. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 11 minutes ago, Timmy U said: This Vargas trade was obviously terrible the moment it was announced, but with how bad Vargas was afterwards, this could be one of the worst trades in Sox history, non-Tatis division. I'm not writing off Vargas but he does have to make some serious changes to his swing/approach. The PULL THE BALL IN THE AIR swing/approach simply doesn't work. His hands are too close to his body and he has a steep entry w/an extreme uphill path. There's just no room for error with that stupid swing/approach. I hope they go back to basics with him because he does have bat speed and suddenness to go along with a great eye. I'd move his hands away from his body, shorten and flatten his swing and concentrate on barreling the baseball and hitting line drives. If he does that he has a chance to be a good hitter but if he continues with the PULL THE BALL IN THE AIR thing he's done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I'm not writing off Vargas but he does have to make some serious changes to his swing/approach. The PULL THE BALL IN THE AIR swing/approach simply doesn't work. His hands are too close to his body and he has a steep entry w/an extreme uphill path. There's just no room for error with that stupid swing/approach. I hope they go back to basics with him because he does have bat speed and suddenness to go along with a great eye. I'd move his hands away from his body, shorten and flatten his swing and concentrate on barreling the baseball and hitting line drives. If he does that he has a chance to be a good hitter but if he continues with the PULL THE BALL IN THE AIR thing he's done. His bat speed is well below average 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It was mainly bad because he gave up a cheap 5+ WAR starter with another cheap year of control and got back a player that the prospect shine had already worn off of. Why Getz didn’t go the all prospect route for the main return piece (e.g., Luke Keaschall), especially with the state of this team, I will never know. It was definitely bad. There is still no possibility it’s even close to Rick Hahn’s second worst trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Vargas’ fast swing rate is 8.3% vs. a league average of 22.5%. That is not good bat speed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 6 hours ago, Timmy U said: This Vargas trade was obviously terrible the moment it was announced, but with how bad Vargas was afterwards, this could be one of the worst trades in Sox history, non-Tatis division. I'm wondering if the trade was worse than the Burger/Eder trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Very challenging to beat the Semien/Bassitt/Ravelo/Phegley for Ynoa and ONE YEAR of Samardzija Hahn special. KW's worst was probably Todd Ritchie for Kip Wells/Josh Fogg/Sean Lowe...then the Sox would go on for 2-3 seasons without a viable fifth starter (2003 still really strings, as MINN added Kenny Rogers and ran down the Sox in August/Sept. Or Jon Adkins/Durham. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 18 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Vargas’ fast swing rate is 8.3% vs. a league average of 22.5%. That is not good bat speed. We traded for a Luis Arraez who can't hit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: We traded for a Luis Arraez who can't hit. We didn't just trade for him, we fell completely in love with him and crafted a ridiculously lopsided trade to loop in another team to just take every possible asset the Sox had to offer. Vargas was clearly Getz's guy and he was an unmitigated disaster by every measure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 21 hours ago, Balta1701 said: It was definitely bad. There is still no possibility it’s even close to Rick Hahn’s second worst trade. Yeah, it's really, really hard to top Semien/Bassitt or Tatis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 4 minutes ago, Quin said: Yeah, it's really, really hard to top Semien/Bassitt or Tatis. You cannot beat Tatis. That might be the worst trade in the history of the franchise, and on the Mt Rushmore of MLB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Vargas is also out of options. If he looks as bad as he looked last year, when does he go DFA? Spring? Halfway? Do they give him a full season? At this point he’s a sunk cost and in a tier with Fletcher, DeLoach, and Colas as a failed prospect who you may or may not want to give another shot to. He’s behind Sosa, who at least got hot at the end of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 29 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You cannot beat Tatis. That might be the worst trade in the history of the franchise, and on the Mt Rushmore of MLB. Yep, the Sox are a team with an owner that refuses to pay for a star player so when you can find one for at least 6 seasons at a cheap price you can’t drop the ball and trade him for a dead arm old starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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