Kyyle23 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 12:09 PM, Dick Allen said: To use an Ozzie staple, "funny thing about it", Stone spent the last month of last season telling us how things would be better in 2025 simply because the White Sox would have a designated closer. Expand Stone Pony operates on a different plane of existence from us plebes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) On 4/7/2025 at 12:24 PM, Kyyle23 said: Stone Pony operates on a different plane of existence from us plebes Expand He also has no shame when he is proven completely wrong and continues on with his utter bullshit without ever admitting he was wrong. He’s a total Reinsdorf shill at this point unfortunately. Just trying to collect as many paychecks until he retires. Somewhat similar to Getz — trying to make as much money as he can until he is figured out to be the worst GM in baseball. Edited April 7 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 12:36 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: He also has no shame when he is proven completely wrong and continues on with his utter bullshit without ever admitting he was wrong. Expand I have to admit I am very surprised he continues with social media because it doesn’t seem to work well with him being wrong lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 12:39 PM, Kyyle23 said: I have to admit I am very surprised he continues with social media because it doesn’t seem to work well with him being wrong lol Expand He seems to only respond to friendly homer fans that ask him questions about his playing days now. He’ll respond to an occasional angry fan to try to embarrass them but he’ll never respond to fans that call him out for being dead wrong about the team over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 11:44 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I noticed @WestEddy has been quiet lately. And he wonders why I was so pessimistic about this team in the offseason. Perhaps because this team is somehow worse than last year’s team, which is pretty hard to do even for an owner like Jerry and GM like Getz. Expand This is all I need to know. You went from one of the most optimistic posters to pessimistic over a matter of 2+ years. I remember. Jerry and Getz could manage to ruin a party at the Playboy Mansion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 12:24 PM, Kyyle23 said: Stone Pony operates on a different plane of existence from us plebes Expand He may be the one person in this organization who needs to retire more than Chris Getz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) On 4/7/2025 at 12:46 PM, southsider2k5 said: He may be the one person in this organization who needs to retire more than Chris Getz. Expand Not as long as he can collect a check and troll his partner, while getting west coast trips off. That’s worth it to him, even if he has to watch putrid baseball while telling us all how great the organization is going to be eventually. Edited April 7 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 11:44 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I noticed @WestEddy has been quiet lately. And he wonders why I was so pessimistic about this team in the offseason. Perhaps because this team is somehow worse than last year’s team, which is pretty hard to do even for an owner like Jerry and GM like Getz. Expand What were the preseason odds the Sox would at any point be a .500 team? Pollyannaism succeeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 12:50 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Not as long as he can collect a check and troll his partner, while getting west coast trips off. That’s worth it to him, even if he has to watch putrid baseball while telling us all how great the organization is going to be eventually. Expand Look, if someone told me they were going to pay me millions to watch shitty baseball and be a dick to whomever I wanted and also I get whatever long road trips I want off…..I’m taking the job 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 12:54 PM, Kyyle23 said: Look, if someone told me they were going to pay me millions to watch shitty baseball and be a dick to whomever I wanted and also I get whatever long road trips I want off…..I’m taking the job Expand Co-sign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) On 4/7/2025 at 12:54 PM, Kyyle23 said: Look, if someone told me they were going to pay me millions to watch shitty baseball and be a dick to whomever I wanted and also I get whatever long road trips I want off…..I’m taking the job Expand Haha, true. I’m pretty sure at this point, Stone likes his dogs more than humans. More trolling and silence is on the way. From Benetti to Schriffen. It really doesn’t matter who they team with him. Edited April 7 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Fletcher trade showed Getz hiring of guy from AZ was a mistake Cease trade showed that Getz could not evaluate talent and is over his head WTF was the Janikowski experience this past week Getz will show Jerry all the great things that have happened in the minors and JR will eat it up Vaughan, Nicky 2 strikes and Jacob Gonzalez.....that is all you need to know. There is no skillset to any of those three guys that shows MLB talent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) On 4/7/2025 at 12:54 PM, Kyyle23 said: Look, if someone told me they were going to pay me millions to watch shitty baseball and be a dick to whomever I wanted and also I get whatever long road trips I want off…..I’m taking the job Expand You really think Stoney gets paid millions? I highly doubt it. I am sure he makes a nice living, but I'd be shocked if it was into 7 figures. Your point remains, tho. Edited April 7 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 1:43 PM, ChiSox59 said: You really think Stoney gets paid millions? I highly doubt it. I am sure he makes a nice living, but I'd be shocked if it was into 7 figures. Your point remains, tho. Expand I think he is over 1M per season, yea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 1:38 PM, Harry Chappas said: Fletcher trade showed Getz hiring of guy from AZ was a mistake Cease trade showed that Getz could not evaluate talent and is over his head WTF was the Janikowski experience this past week Getz will show Jerry all the great things that have happened in the minors and JR will eat it up Expand I truly don't think JR cares one way or another. Getz can show him a picture of a giraffe and he'd have the same reaction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 2:24 PM, Snopek said: I truly don't think JR cares one way or another. Getz can show him a picture of a giraffe and he'd have the same reaction. Expand JR probably enjoys Getz’s reports of how many players he traded for cash considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 2:39 AM, wegner said: Just very simply, why is this clown still employed? Worst record last year and now whatever this crap is. It's just ridiculous. Expand On 4/7/2025 at 2:48 AM, caulfield12 said: Making a change will only matter if they do a legitimate search outside the organization and not merely prioritize cronies and sycophants that will essentially run interference for JR. Expand I'm truly wondering what the alternative is here? I wasn't a fan of the Chris Getz hire because it was once again way too insular. I like many of things that Getz has done since taking over though so my opinion has shifted. Were either of you expecting something different right now? This is one of the worst rosters in baseball. This is what it looks like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 1:44 PM, Kyyle23 said: I think he is over 1M per season, yea. Expand Wow, I would have guessed $500-750k. Great gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 2:50 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'm truly wondering what the alternative is here? I wasn't a fan of the Chris Getz hire because it was once again way too insular. I like many of things that Getz has done since taking over though so my opinion has shifted. Were either of you expecting something different right now? This is one of the worst rosters in baseball. This is what it looks like. Expand This is where I am at. Terrible hire. I think he's done a good job at hiring staff members and changing the philosophies of the org from the ground up. At this point, he is our guy as long as JR is the owner, so may as well ride with it. His MLB roster management has been awful. I have not been shy in slamming his moves this offseason. And I think I saw you post just yesterday on Twitter that you think he should have signed a couple pen arms to improve the back end, win a few more close games, and then have trade pieces. I agree with that, and think most of his moves on the offensive side were brutal with no upside. But this is what a team that is tanking does. I didn't really expect a better team this year. I think once you accept the Sox are trying to lose baseball games in 2025, it makes the painful games a little easier to swallow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) On 4/7/2025 at 2:50 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'm truly wondering what the alternative is here? I wasn't a fan of the Chris Getz hire because it was once again way too insular. I like many of things that Getz has done since taking over though so my opinion has shifted. Were either of you expecting something different right now? This is one of the worst rosters in baseball. This is what it looks like. Expand Yeah, we won't really be able to fully judge the stuff he has done until we start seeing the impact on the field though. He's doing the stuff that he SHOULD be doing. I don't know how many brownie points he deserves for doing his job and trying to make changes. Guess we will see in a few years. Edited April 7 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 2:56 PM, ChiSox59 said: This is where I am at. Terrible hire. I think he's done a good job at hiring staff members and changing the philosophies of the org from the ground up. At this point, he is our guy as long as JR is the owner, so may as well ride with it. His MLB roster management has been awful. I have not been shy in slamming his moves this offseason. And I think I saw you post just yesterday on Twitter that you think he should have signed a couple pen arms to improve the back end, win a few more close games, and then have trade pieces. I agree with that, and think most of his moves on the offensive side were brutal with no upside. But this is what a team that is tanking does. I didn't really expect a better team this year. I think once you accept the Sox are trying to lose baseball games in 2025, it makes the painful games a little easier to swallow. Expand Im just accepting that after the last rebuild failed, JR decided to sell and the team was setup in a way to help facilitate that. Not cleaning house and doing a legit search for a guy to run the baseball ops and gutting the payroll are just setting this up to transition to the new buyer. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 2:51 PM, ChiSox59 said: Wow, I would have guessed $500-750k. Great gig. Expand I think Stone has a few things in his favor, one he is a hall of fame player who has famously carried over his knowledge to the booth for a long time, and to me Stone would definitely be a guy who would say “pay me what I’m worth” and point to his bonafides. He has been with the org for a long time now, through multiple partners, and he is friends with the owner. Plus, part of the job is appearances and such which are also part of his salary. just my opinion, he could very much make closer to what you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 11:44 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I noticed @WestEddy has been quiet lately. And he wonders why I was so pessimistic about this team in the offseason. Perhaps because this team is somehow worse than last year’s team, which is pretty hard to do even for an owner like Jerry and GM like Getz. Expand They're in a rebuild, and obviously, in a money crunch. If billionaires saw this financial shake-up coming after November, the paucity of spending from owners who cry poor makes more sense. I don't wonder why you were pessimistic. I wonder why you expected anything more. I predicted 54 wins. This is what a 108-loss team looks like. I could post all this every day, but I don't think that's what you're looking for. Oh, and even if they signed Ha-Seong Kim, they'd still be running this infield crew out there every day. You've been silent about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 There are multiple things that can be true at the same time - When Getz was given the job, it became clear this was going to be a full tear down. They did the same thing in 2016 offseason, where they went from 78 wins to 67. Then they fell to 62 wins in 2018. While winning 41 games and setting records in 2024 should have never happened and was embarrassing, I agree with the idea the difference between winning 55 games or 65 games doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, it's still shitty baseball. - It's hard for people to get over that it's Chris Getz running things, and I understand why, I'm one of them. The last regime was here far too long, and had very little success outside of one magical season, and Getz had a key role in this organization for a good chunk of that. He should not have been rewarded for those "efforts" with a promotion, but here we are. It's absolutely fair to have doubts, he has done NOTHING to earn anyones trust or respect. - He was tasked with a very difficult job, as the organization needed a full enema and he was working with very few assets. The 2016 rebuild was a very different situation. There were some attractive and valuable pieces on the roster, they couldn't figure out (or didn't have the right resources) to surround their stars with talent. You fast forward to 2020/2021, from the trades of 2016 they acquired Moncada, Eloy, Giolito, Cease and Kopech. Add in the Cuban Pipeline with Abreu and Robert, FINALLY drafting a hitter that has MLB success in Anderson, and you created a core. It obviously didn't work, but the formula still makes sense today. Getz had Crochet/Fedde/Robert to work with. The Crochet deal seems "good" right now, time will tell. The Fedde deal was awful, it was awful then and it's still awful now. And he seemingly missed the timing on trading Robert, who knows what that eventually nets them. So he doesn't have the same runway that Hahn had, and some of that is on Getz. - I think it's a fair assumption to make that if Getz had it his way, he would have spent more on areas of the team for 2025, so they aren't flirting with 41 wins again in 2025. We know who the owner is, he knew they were going to be REALLY bad again, why spend another 25-30 million on the team when it takes the Sox from 48 wins to 58 wins? Why spend that? All of this is to say something most (if not all) of us already know. Nothing changes until Jerry is gone. They won't outspend teams in free agency. They won't outspend anyone in player development. They won't be cutting edge on new philosophies and strategy. They won't draft exceptionally well (when have they EVER?) So what does that leave you? An incredibly mediocre franchise, which is exactly what they have been under the ownership of Jerry Reinsdorf. It's really not any more complicated or nuanced than that. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/7/2025 at 4:50 PM, Tony said: There are multiple things that can be true at the same time - When Getz was given the job, it became clear this was going to be a full tear down. They did the same thing in 2016 offseason, where they went from 78 wins to 67. Then they fell to 62 wins in 2018. While winning 41 games and setting records in 2024 should have never happened and was embarrassing, I agree with the idea the difference between winning 55 games or 65 games doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, it's still shitty baseball. - It's hard for people to get over that it's Chris Getz running things, and I understand why, I'm one of them. The last regime was here far too long, and had very little success outside of one magical season, and Getz had a key role in this organization for a good chunk of that. He should not have been rewarded for those "efforts" with a promotion, but here we are. It's absolutely fair to have doubts, he has done NOTHING to earn anyones trust or respect. - He was tasked with a very difficult job, as the organization needed a full enema and he was working with very few assets. The 2016 rebuild was a very different situation. There were some attractive and valuable pieces on the roster, they couldn't figure out (or didn't have the right resources) to surround their stars with talent. You fast forward to 2020/2021, from the trades of 2016 they acquired Moncada, Eloy, Giolito, Cease and Kopech. Add in the Cuban Pipeline with Abreu and Robert, FINALLY drafting a hitter that has MLB success in Anderson, and you created a core. It obviously didn't work, but the formula still makes sense today. Getz had Crochet/Fedde/Robert to work with. The Crochet deal seems "good" right now, time will tell. The Fedde deal was awful, it was awful then and it's still awful now. And he seemingly missed the timing on trading Robert, who knows what that eventually nets them. So he doesn't have the same runway that Hahn had, and some of that is on Getz. - I think it's a fair assumption to make that if Getz had it his way, he would have spent more on areas of the team for 2025, so they aren't flirting with 41 wins again in 2025. We know who the owner is, he knew they were going to be REALLY bad again, why spend another 25-30 million on the team when it takes the Sox from 48 wins to 58 wins? Why spend that? All of this is to say something most (if not all) of us already know. Nothing changes until Jerry is gone. They won't outspend teams in free agency. They won't outspend anyone in player development. They won't be cutting edge on new philosophies and strategy. They won't draft exceptionally well (when have they EVER?) So what does that leave you? An incredibly mediocre franchise, which is exactly what they have been under the ownership of Jerry Reinsdorf. It's really not any more complicated or nuanced than that. Expand Amazingly, I don't disagree with any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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