Fire Chris Getz

[Milkman delivers]

[Y2Jimmy0]

  On 4/12/2025 at 11:17 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

If Getz had done a good job in his previous roles and current role, he'd have a young outfielder to play right now rather than Palacios and Taylor and Maton at DH.  That's simply embarrassing.

 

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I'm curious to know which of the outfielders who were drafted or signed internationally in recent years should have been better if Getz were better as the director of player development. 

[SoxBlanco]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:19 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'm curious to know which of the outfielders who were drafted or signed internationally in recent years should have been better if Getz were better as the director of player development. 

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Some people have a hard time thinking rationally when there are struggles and negative outcomes. There could be ten different things that play a part in why a player doesn’t develop, and there could be a different mix of reasons for a different player. But it’s easier to just blame the director, even if the player just isn’t very good to begin with, or if the player lacks the drive or work ethic, or if the player doesn’t like to be coached. 

It reminds me of how people like to blame the hitting coach when an offense is struggling. 

[caulfield12]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:19 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'm curious to know which of the outfielders who were drafted or signed internationally in recent years should have been better if Getz were better as the director of player development. 

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"With the core intact, the team showed their full potential, making the playoffs in both 2020 and 2021. As we all know, however, injuries happen. Where Hahn’s staff failed was building organizational depth that could pick up the slack when the top players were hurt, or prospects didn’t develop as planned. Their lack of internal options forced the club to transition natural first basemen Andrew Vaughn and Gavin Sheets to the outfield as the result of other shortcomings. This lack of organizational depth reared its ugly head time and time again, and when the injuries became too much to handle, the team’s playoff window shut abruptly. The Sox banked on one group of players panning out, and that failure eventually snowballed to where we are now."

 

The list starts with Eloy Jimenez, obviously.

For one thing, they didn't target enough additional outfielders at this time...wasn't it basically just Colas and Cespedes in recent years, you can count Veras if you want as well in that grouping?

There's also been (going further back to) guys like Luis Gonzalez, Alex Call, Basabe, Steele Walker, Micker Adolfo...

https://soxmachine.com/2018/10/the-white-sox-have-outfielders-to-deal-if-they-dare

[caulfield12]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:35 PM, SoxBlanco said:

Some people have a hard time thinking rationally when there are struggles and negative outcomes. There could be ten different things that play a part in why a player doesn’t develop, and there could be a different mix of reasons for a different player. But it’s easier to just blame the director, even if the player just isn’t very good to begin with, or if the player lacks the drive or work ethic, or if the player doesn’t like to be coached. 

It reminds me of how people like to blame the hitting coach when an offense is struggling. 

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50% talent identification 50% talent development...they go hand in hand.

For example...

Roman Anthony 79th pick

Kristian Campbell 4th round

Jarren Duran  7th round

Wilyer Abreu trade for C.Vasquez from Houston

Cedane Raffaela signed with the Boston Red Sox as an international free agent in July 2017 (from Curacao...same as Jurickson Profar's brother who signed with White Sox)

Masataka Yoshida  intl FA Japan

 

[GreenSox]

  On 4/12/2025 at 5:27 PM, WestEddy said:

14 members of the 2005 World Series team were not in the organization 2 years earlier. 

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The White Sox organization was loaded with young talent at that time (from 1990-2005 into 2010).     KW was constantly making deals and his  moves finally clicked for that one year.  That talent base  should have won a lot more divisions,  if not titles, than it did.

Getz has just got to get young talent into this organization...especially position players.  It's tough when we've shown no ability at all to evaluate/draft amateur position players.    I don't think we're as far away from being able to put together a competitive team as most probably do....but we're a long way away from having a real pipeline to sustain winning.

Edited April 13 by GreenSox

[WestEddy]

  On 4/13/2025 at 12:41 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Ah yes, and it's everyone else who is wrong and not seeing the truth. 

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Yes, when you pretend that a player seeking outside help is unique and means the organization had no hand in his development, you are wrong. 

[WestEddy]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:46 PM, caulfield12 said:

The list starts with Eloy Jimenez, obviously.

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The guy hit the majors ready to hit, and he did. He was fully and successfully "developed". He kept getting injured, was the problem. And when people here get serious and drop the silly hyperbole, they surmise that his injury history has sapped his HR strength. 

Eloy was a developmental success. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:38 PM, WestEddy said:

Yes, when you pretend that a player seeking outside help is unique and means the organization had no hand in his development, you are wrong. 

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I never said it was unique.

Just as I never said a GM shouldn't seek outside council. 

Your only defense now is to misrepresent. 

I said:

You gave the Sox credit for transitioning Crochet to being a starter. I said his entire overhaul (strength building, new path to home, new arm slot, very unique drive-push) was done outside of the White Sox. You pushed back. That was wrong.

I also said Brian Bannister shouldn't be picking which players he wants to "best maximize" because that's not his skill. Getz job is to know what skill best fits Bannister. Bannister can have say but not be the final decision maker. 

 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:19 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'm curious to know which of the outfielders who were drafted or signed internationally in recent years should have been better if Getz were better as the director of player development. 

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Alex Call

[Dick Allen]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:47 PM, WestEddy said:

The guy hit the majors ready to hit, and he did. He was fully and successfully "developed". He kept getting injured, was the problem. And when people here get serious and drop the silly hyperbole, they surmise that his injury history has sapped his HR strength. 

Eloy was a developmental success. 

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Couldn’t play the field, and his strength isn’t the issue. His exit velo were fine. He couldn’t hit the ball in the air.

[WestEddy]

  On 4/13/2025 at 3:27 PM, Dick Allen said:

Couldn’t play the field, and his strength isn’t the issue. His exit velo were fine. He couldn’t hit the ball in the air.

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He sure could when he left the minor league system. 

[WestEddy]

  On 4/13/2025 at 3:23 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I never said it was unique.

Just as I never said a GM shouldn't seek outside council. 

Your only defense now is to misrepresent. 

I said:

You gave the Sox credit for transitioning Crochet to being a starter. I said his entire overhaul (strength building, new path to home, new arm slot, very unique drive-push) was done outside of the White Sox. You pushed back. That was wrong.

I also said Brian Bannister shouldn't be picking which players he wants to "best maximize" because that's not his skill. Getz job is to know what skill best fits Bannister. Bannister can have say but not be the final decision maker. 

 

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The Sox had the final call on whether Crochet started or not. Driveline or agency coaches aren't in the bullpen with him every day of the season. It's silly to try to take Crochet's success away from the Sox in order to "prove" they are horrible at developing players. 

Any baseball player who spent the better part of their lives in the game honing their own skills could probably slot into a scouting job. A good leader gets opinions from all his people. Who ever said Bannister is the final decision maker? 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

  On 4/13/2025 at 3:32 PM, WestEddy said:

The Sox had the final call on whether Crochet started or not. Driveline or agency coaches aren't in the bullpen with him every day of the season. It's silly to try to take Crochet's success away from the Sox in order to "prove" they are horrible at developing players. 

Any baseball player who spent the better part of their lives in the game honing their own skills could probably slot into a scouting job. A good leader gets opinions from all his people. Who ever said Bannister is the final decision maker? 

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Glad you admitted to lying about both statements.

What the end of the Hahn regime and whatever you want to call this Getz thing have taught me is there's always someone out there that'll support the unsupportable.

[WestEddy]

  On 4/13/2025 at 3:38 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Glad you admitted to lying about both statements.

What the end of the Hahn regime and whatever you want to call this Getz thing have taught me is there's always someone out there that'll support the unsupportable.

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I really have no idea what you're talking about. I can only assume you're sleep deprived and are hallucinating. 

I'm a Sox fan, and a rebuild is happening. I don't see the point of arguing nonsense to support a nonsensical narrative. Have a good day, and get some sleep if you can. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 4/13/2025 at 3:25 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Alex Call

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Hell any of them? The record of failure is crazy.

[pcq]

Bryce Wilson we hardly knew ya. Bye. 

[caulfield12]

  On 4/13/2025 at 8:16 PM, pcq said:

Bryce Wilson we hardly knew ya. Bye. 

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DFA'ed?

With an ERA in the 2's?

[JTB]

  On 4/12/2025 at 4:45 PM, WestEddy said:

I'll bet that half of the next playoff team isn't in the organization, yet. How do they play prospects they haven't drafted or traded for, yet?

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NM - late to the party.  😂

Edited April 14 by JTB

[Dick Allen]

Getz is historic. He got to 100 games below .500 as a GM faster than Pedro did as a manager.

[caulfield12]

Fire WestEddy.

Joking.  Well...mostly.

[fathom]

Reading the fangraphs report on the farm system, there just doesn’t seem to be anything close to a difference maker on the offensive side in the system.  A bunch of guys that likely profile as 7, 8 or 9 hitters.  Braden Montgomery probably has the best chance of reaching a high ceiling.  

[caulfield12]

https://www.mlb.com/news/potential-impact-callups-for-each-team-2025

Luke Keaschall and Tim Elko write-ups

[Tnetennba]

  On 4/17/2025 at 8:20 PM, fathom said:

Reading the fangraphs report on the farm system, there just doesn’t seem to be anything close to a difference maker on the offensive side in the system.  A bunch of guys that likely profile as 7, 8 or 9 hitters.  Braden Montgomery probably has the best chance of reaching a high ceiling.  

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I was perusing the Sox top 30 this morning, and it was really difficult to see anyone with a 2025/2026 eta, outside of Teel, who had a chance to be a difference maker.

We are going to have a team with maybe 3 good position players, all burning service time, with nothing but retreads filling out the roster. With little to look forward to coming from the minors and zero hope of adding a star via FA.

I think Getz is missing the build part of "rebuild"...

[Chicago White Sox]

I’ll be honest, I am starting to lose the little bit of hope I had that Getz wasn’t the shitty Farm Director that he appeared to be and that his failures were a result of being held back by KW & Hahn.  I have no doubt that he’s made some structural improvements to the org, but ultimately you have to be able to marry the data and technology and turn it into meaningful actions to drive real change and I am currently unconvinced he knows how to do that.