caulfield12 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCalChiSox said: That's pretty cool. I liked Bannister hire and Barfield. The guy from Rice I dont know about. I know he has limits placed on him and all but I still dont like Getz apparent Limp Dick Ball strategy they seem to want to pivot too. Yes we have to get better on D and be more athletic but there has to be a couple legit savages in the lineup too. Then again we seem to be allergic to winning so it's not a surprise that were also allergic to savagery. You can't win without superior power and high strikeout/groundball pitching at GRF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: You can't win without superior power and high strikeout/groundball pitching at GRF. I don't think we have any of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, wegner said: I don't think we have any of those things. Not sure how trading Burger helped on that front...Eder has a LOT to prove. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Time to bring this thread back up front. Getz should be embarrassed with what’s gone on the past few months. Fire him!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The barbarian hordes are back at the gates if Cease goes into the regular season as OD starter and somehow manages to get hurt. 100% feels like we are are relying on starting pitchers going down on expected/predicted playoff teams to get a deal done now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 (edited) If Moustakas (35), Pillar (35) and Mendick (30) are all on the Opening Day roster, fire Chris Getz. https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-2024-opening-day-roster Pedro is a dipstick, but assuming Tony is not running the show, Getz is at minimum enabling this behavior and likely in agreement. Quote Bench/Utility (3): Kevin Pillar, Danny Mendick, Mike Moustakas “At the end of the day, it’s probably not going to be who had the best stats in the spring,” Grifol said. “It’s going to be on who helps us win many different ways off the bench.” You have the next two years to see what, if anything, you have with Colas (25), Sosa (24), Lee (25), Shewmake (26), DeLoach (25), perhaps Burdick (27). I'm not advocating for starting the clock on the top prospects who will benefit from more time in AA/AAA, but for these guys, you can perhaps get a solid player out of one or two of these guys if you play them regularly and work correcting any deficiencies. it's not the time to "win many different ways" with AARP guys with no upside or trade value. It's bad enough they are going with both Maldonado (37) + Stassi (33), Lopez (29) and DeJong (30). Edited March 1 by South Side Hit Men 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 At the end of the day, it’s probably not going to be who had the best stats in the spring,” Grifol said. “It’s going to be on who helps us win many different ways off the bench.” That is really a quote? God this guy sucks, how about the stats in the regular season for the last three years? Does that count 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 It’s not who earns a spot in spring training, it’s who we’ve already decided will be on the roster. That’s basically what he’s saying. The guy can’t stop tripping himself up. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigHurt3515 said: At the end of the day, it’s probably not going to be who had the best stats in the spring,” Grifol said. “It’s going to be on who helps us win many different ways off the bench.” That is really a quote? God this guy sucks, how about the stats in the regular season for the last three years? Does that count Truly inspirational stuff. The marketing department must want to put out a figurative hit on him at this point. Edited March 1 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Are they ever going to hire a hitting equivalent to Bannister? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: Are they ever going to hire a hitting equivalent to Bannister? Getz is trying to convince Jerry to spend $7k on a Charlie Lau Hologram with 18 preprogrammed personal player instructions to choose from. Jerry said like any purchase, only if ISFA pays for it. The Sox will present this proposal at the next ISFA board meeting. Meanwhile, Jerry contacted the business behind Getz’ back to inquire on the possibilities of creating a hologram based front office and administrative staff, programmed to carry out his or Tony’s instructions on how to operate The White Sox Way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless_joe21 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 This is the problem with retaining a coach who clearly sucks. Even someone as delusional as Grifol recognizes that he’s on the hot seat. He's in survival mode. His decisions are going to be based on what he deems best in the short-term, because that's all he's guaranteed to be here for. Finding out what we have in Colas, Sosa, Lee, etc. and being patient through their growing pains is what's best long-term (heck, probably short-term as well), but Pedro likely sees it as a one-way ticket out of town. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 Just now, shoeless_joe21 said: This is the problem with retaining a coach who clearly sucks. Even someone as delusional as Grifol recognizes that he’s on the hot seat. He's in survival mode. His decisions are going to be based on what he deems best in the short-term, because that's all he's guaranteed to be here for. Finding out what we have in Colas, Sosa, Lee, etc. and being patient through their growing pains is what's best long-term (heck, probably short-term as well), but Pedro likely sees it as a one-way ticket out of town. It's incumbent on Getz to be clear with Pedro and the coaching staff what the priorities are, and that they will be judged on long term considerations, not wins and losses. If Getz is prioritizing win now, which his February moves and NRIs plus Merkin's tea-leaves indicate, Getz is the primary problem, not Pedro. Also, someone needs to work with both Pedro and Getz to improve their communication skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 14 minutes ago, shoeless_joe21 said: This is the problem with retaining a coach who clearly sucks. Even someone as delusional as Grifol recognizes that he’s on the hot seat. He's in survival mode. His decisions are going to be based on what he deems best in the short-term, because that's all he's guaranteed to be here for. Finding out what we have in Colas, Sosa, Lee, etc. and being patient through their growing pains is what's best long-term (heck, probably short-term as well), but Pedro likely sees it as a one-way ticket out of town. Then it is up to Getz to impress upon him that it's either do as he is told, or get fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Then it is up to Getz to impress upon him that it's either do as he is told, or get fired. Too late for that. Getz should have brought his own guy (stooge) in. I'll tell you what, this is gonna be the grindiest group of grinders that ever ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I doubt Pedro makes it to August. Don't you just love it when the manager is both stupid and arrogant? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/brandon-crawford-departure-farhan-zaidi-fault-18698540.php SF Giants seem to be taking the opposite approach with their veteran players...thinking that moving on will make it easier for young players feeling there's a margin of error or comfort level with an established between on the roster trying to take their starting spot back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/brandon-crawford-departure-farhan-zaidi-fault-18698540.php SF Giants seem to be taking the opposite approach with their veteran players...thinking that moving on will make it easier for young players feeling there's a margin of error or comfort level with an established between on the roster trying to take their starting spot back. Same approach the Sox are taking - we're letting our veterans walk. The difference is that the Sox are replacing them with more decrepit veterans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 On 3/1/2024 at 11:39 AM, chitownsportsfan said: Too late for that. Getz should have brought his own guy (stooge) in. I'll tell you what, this is gonna be the grindiest group of grinders that ever ground. Time will tell if Jerry will ever allow Chris Getz to spend $10M plus on a player before he dies. For all the s%*# slung on SoxTalk at Tim Anderson and Jose Abreu in 2023, they were among the few players signed by Rick Hahn which were an actual steal by the organization. bWAR / Contract Dollars Paid Through 2023 [Remaining Minimum Contract Remaining] Hahn acquired / resigned players paid $10M plus by the White Sox within a single contract. $M Spent Per 1 bWAR $0.84M Jose Quintana ($11.65M / 13.8) 2014-2017 $0.95M Chris Sale ($19.5M / 20.5) 2013-2016 $1.56M Luis Robert Jr. ($19.56M / 12.5) 2020-2023 [$27.5M 2024-2025 + $4M 2026-2027 BO] $2.16M Tim Anderson ($35.0M / 16.2) 2016-2023 $2.86M Jose Abreu ($91.1M / 31.9) 2014-2022 $3.56M Nate Jones ($11.4M / 3.2) 2016-2019 $3.61M Eloy Jimenez ($20.23M / 5.6) 2019-2023 [$6M 2025-2026 BO] $3.63M Mike Clevinger ($12.0M / 3.3) 2023 $6.37M Yoan Moncada ($39.57M / 6.2) 2020-2023 [$24M 2024 + $5M 2025 BO] $6.66M Todd Frazier ($12.0M / 1.8) 2017 $8.42M Kendall Graveman ($16.0M / 1.9) 2022-2023 $8.57M Melky Cabrera ($42.0M / 4.9) 2015-2017 $11.38M David Robertson ($33.0M / 2.9) 2015-2017 $12.56M Liam Hendriks ($54.0M / 4.3) 2021-2023 $24.60M Yasmani Grandal ($61.51M / 2.5) 2020-2023 $44.17M Dallas Keuchel ($44.17M / 1.0) 2020-2022 $48.75M A. J. Pollock ($19.5M / 0.4) 2022 $75.00M Wellington Castillo ($15.0M / 0.2) 2018-2019 Infinity Andrew Benintendi ($11.0M / 0.0) 2023 [$64M 2024-2027] Infinity James Shields ($25.0M / -0.3) 2016-2018 Infinity Lance Lynn ($37.0M / -0.4) 2022-2023 Infinity Kelvin Herrera ($12.65M / -0.5) 2019-2020 Infinity Adam La Roche ($12.0M / -0.7) 2015 Infinity Joe Kelly ($17.0M / -0.9) 2022-2023 Infinity Leury Garcia ($16.5M / -1.0) 2022-2024 Infinity Jeff Keppinger ($12.0M / -1.7) 2013-2015 Pro-rated 2020 salaries used when applicable, full salaries used within season for players traded with less than 50% of the season remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/1/2024 at 6:52 AM, Boopa1219 said: Are they ever going to hire a hitting equivalent to Bannister? We still have yet to see if Bannister is even the real deal. Let’s see how all these guys pitch in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: We still have yet to see if Bannister is even the real deal. Let’s see how all these guys pitch in the regular season. What does that have to do with my question? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/1/2024 at 11:28 AM, South Side Hit Men said: It's incumbent on Getz to be clear with Pedro and the coaching staff what the priorities are, and that they will be judged on long term considerations, not wins and losses. If Getz is prioritizing win now, which his February moves and NRIs plus Merkin's tea-leaves indicate, Getz is the primary problem, not Pedro. Also, someone needs to work with both Pedro and Getz to improve their communication skills. Hire the guy that's kept Jerry clueless as far as what to say and how to say it for 40 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 With Cease traded away and the decision to cut both Pillar and Moustakas loose, Getz has saved Jerry $13 million. Getz won’t be getting fired. He probably just got an enthusiastic pat on the back from Jerry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 What's this doing on page 3?? Thread deserves a bump after that 8 spot from the Royals against a couple of Getzys shitty pitchers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 23 minutes ago, wegner said: What's this doing on page 3?? Thread deserves a bump after that 8 spot from the Royals against a couple of Getzys shitty pitchers. Well, there's no easy solutions stowed away just waiting at Charlotte either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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