Lynn (1) and Burger (6) on biggest trade impacts,One month later, according to MLB.com writers, these look like best Deadline deals

[caulfield12]

https://www.mlb.com/news/ranking-the-10-best-2023-mlb-trade-deadline-moves

Edited September 2, 2023 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Lance Lynn, Dodgers
The Braves' lineup has been torturing opposing pitchers all year long, and they got to Lynn on Thursday night, tagging him for seven runs over 4 1/3 innings. But that outing was not indicative of the renaissance he has experienced with L.A. When he first took the mound as a Dodger on Aug. 1, Lynn owned the worst ERA of any qualified starter -- 6.47. Through his first five turns with his new team, however, Lynn posted a 2.05 ERA. He held batters to a .681 OPS, which was a 156-point drop from his season with the White Sox. Lynn has leaned more on his four-seam fastball with the Dodgers, throwing that pitch 53% of the time prior to Thursday’s start and limiting hitters to a .620 OPS against it. They had an .811 OPS off of his four-seamer before the trade.

Lynn was acquired at a time when Clayton Kershaw was on the injured list, Julio Urías had an ERA near 5.00, and Tony Gonsolin was struggling through an arm injury that would require Tommy John surgery. The Dodgers desperately needed someone to stabilize their rotation, and the right-hander has done that. He played a sizeable role in what was the team’s most successful month in Los Angeles.

6. Jake Burger, Marlins
The Marlins added more beef by buying Burger, whose fun last name is finally paying dividends. He hasn’t been able to maintain his elite 19.6% barrel rate and .313 ISO from the first half; those numbers are at 10.5% and .162, respectively, with the Marlins. However, he has still been a very productive bat. 

Burger has shaved his strikeout rate with his new club by about one-third -- from 31.6% to 21.3% -- and has made those extra balls in play count. A career .245 hitter, his August slash line was a solid .323/.380/.485. His 137 wRC+ was the second best of his young career in a calendar month.

[WBWSF]

Trading Burger was nuts. I have yet to meet any White Sox fan who liked him being moved. He filled  the hole of third base for the team. We're now stuck with Moncada for another year. Burger has already hit 28 home runs this year. Moncada won't hit 28 home runs the rest of his career. I was hoping that Burger would be the starting third baseman and Moncada would be released. The Cubs released Jason Heyward this past off season and ate his last year of his big contract. The White Sox should of done the same thing with Moncada. It said in todays paper that Moncada wants to stay here next year. Unfortunately we are stuck with him for another year. He has no power anymore. I have no doubt in my mind that 2024 will be the last year of Moncada in MLB. We received a sore arm pitcher for Burger. Hopefully that pitcher will help the team next year. Hahn traded Tatis Jr, Madrigal and now Burger. Three good hitters and has received nothing in return for them. This team has scored 3 or less runs in more than half of their games. It has trouble hitting and scoring runs. If Hahn hadn't trade these 3 players we would be scoring more runs. Hahn was either baseball stupid or wanted to hurt the team intentionally. Him being a lifelong Cubs fan, I wouldn't of put it past him.

Edited September 2, 2023 by WBWSF

[wegner]

Screw that fat piece of crap....and I'm not talking about Burger.

[ron883]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Lance Lynn, Dodgers
The Braves' lineup has been torturing opposing pitchers all year long, and they got to Lynn on Thursday night, tagging him for seven runs over 4 1/3 innings. But that outing was not indicative of the renaissance he has experienced with L.A. When he first took the mound as a Dodger on Aug. 1, Lynn owned the worst ERA of any qualified starter -- 6.47. Through his first five turns with his new team, however, Lynn posted a 2.05 ERA. He held batters to a .681 OPS, which was a 156-point drop from his season with the White Sox. Lynn has leaned more on his four-seam fastball with the Dodgers, throwing that pitch 53% of the time prior to Thursday’s start and limiting hitters to a .620 OPS against it. They had an .811 OPS off of his four-seamer before the trade.

Lynn was acquired at a time when Clayton Kershaw was on the injured list, Julio Urías had an ERA near 5.00, and Tony Gonsolin was struggling through an arm injury that would require Tommy John surgery. The Dodgers desperately needed someone to stabilize their rotation, and the right-hander has done that. He played a sizeable role in what was the team’s most successful month in Los Angeles.

6. Jake Burger, Marlins
The Marlins added more beef by buying Burger, whose fun last name is finally paying dividends. He hasn’t been able to maintain his elite 19.6% barrel rate and .313 ISO from the first half; those numbers are at 10.5% and .162, respectively, with the Marlins. However, he has still been a very productive bat. 

Burger has shaved his strikeout rate with his new club by about one-third -- from 31.6% to 21.3% -- and has made those extra balls in play count. A career .245 hitter, his August slash line was a solid .323/.380/.485. His 137 wRC+ was the second best of his young career in a calendar month.

Thank you for taking snippets from the article instead of just posting the link with zero context. 

[caulfield12]

37 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Thank you for taking snippets from the article instead of just posting the link with zero context. 

Fixed...now we have one of the longer titles to deal with in order to facilitate your understanding.

[T R U]

5 hours ago, WBWSF said:

Trading Burger was nuts. I have yet to meet any White Sox fan who liked him being moved. He filled  the hole of third base for the team. We're now stuck with Moncada for another year. Burger has already hit 28 home runs this year. Moncada won't hit 28 home runs the rest of his career. I was hoping that Burger would be the starting third baseman and Moncada would be released. The Cubs released Jason Heyward this past off season and ate his last year of his big contract. The White Sox should of done the same thing with Moncada. It said in todays paper that Moncada wants to stay here next year. Unfortunately we are stuck with him for another year. He has no power anymore. I have no doubt in my mind that 2024 will be the last year of Moncada in MLB. We received a sore arm pitcher for Burger. Hopefully that pitcher will help the team next year. Hahn traded Tatis Jr, Madrigal and now Burger. Three good hitters and has received nothing in return for them. This team has scored 3 or less runs in more than half of their games. It has trouble hitting and scoring runs. If Hahn hadn't trade these 3 players we would be scoring more runs. Hahn was either baseball stupid or wanted to hurt the team intentionally. Him being a lifelong Cubs fan, I wouldn't of put it past him.

I like that he was moved. I don’t believe in him as a player and would much rather have the chance of a starting pitcher. 

[Buehrle>Wood]

17 minutes ago, T R U said:

I like that he was moved. I don’t believe in him as a player and would much rather have the chance of a starting pitcher. 

You cannot trade a 2.5-3.0 WAR player for a single minor league pitcher. The bust rate is way too high for that. We quite literally picked up pitchers off the scrap heap that were better prospects at one point than Eder will ever be. Eder could be a rule 5  victim by this time next year.

[T R U]

4 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

You cannot trade a 2.5-3.0 WAR player for a single minor league pitcher. The bust rate is way too high for that. We quite literally picked up pitchers off the scrap heap that were better prospects at one point than Eder will ever be. Eder could be a rule 5  victim by this time next year.

So now we’re just giving him war to justify not liking the trade?

Big deal, he’s at 1.9 thanks to a totally unsustainable run with us. It’s ok to believe in that but already give up on a prospect. Sounds right. 

[caulfield12]

17 minutes ago, T R U said:

So now we’re just giving him war to justify not liking the trade?

Big deal, he’s at 1.9 thanks to a totally unsustainable run with us. It’s ok to believe in that but already give up on a prospect. Sounds right. 

Well the numbers are on his side.

The last starting pitching prospect that we developed successfully was Rodon?

Sort of. 

Guess you can sort of count Cease.

[Balta1701]

6 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

You cannot trade a 2.5-3.0 WAR player for a single minor league pitcher. The bust rate is way too high for that. We quite literally picked up pitchers off the scrap heap that were better prospects at one point than Eder will ever be. Eder could be a rule 5  victim by this time next year.

At the same time, you can’t hold a 27 year old with a history of serious injury who is putting up 2.5 WAR when your team is on pace for 100 losses and has basically no support coming from the minors in the next 2 years. You can argue with the return I get that, holding him and letting him hit 2 dingers to make this a 10-2 loss and then having his trade value gone by the time the team is actually back to .500 doesn’t interest or excite me.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

At the same time, you can’t hold a 27 year old with a history of serious injury who is putting up 2.5 WAR when your team is on pace for 100 losses and has basically no support coming from the minors in the next 2 years. You can argue with the return I get that, holding him and letting him hit 2 dingers to make this a 10-2 loss and then having his trade value gone by the time the team is actually back to .500 doesn’t interest or excite me.

Then who are they going to build around Luis Robert and QUICKLY?

Obviously Cease and Kopech in their own mind.

Benintendi/TA and Salvy Perez and Yoan and Eloy and Vaughn is not a core, either.  Hendriks is out now, too.

 

You’re going to have that group completely miss timed with waiting on Schultz Montgomery Quero Sosa Colas, etc.

Knowing Sox history, you’re only going to hit with one of those guys in Montgomery (assuming he doesn’t get hurt.)

 

So Burger for 3 of Robert’s remaining years made a heckuva lot more sense than Moncada.  Would have sold more tickets as well because the majority of fans actually liked Jake.  Whereas we kept a sunk cost that’s equally unpopular in the hopes he will finally put together a full season offensively AND defensively for the first time in five seasons.

 

[Buehrle>Wood]

10 hours ago, T R U said:

So now we’re just giving him war to justify not liking the trade?

Big deal, he’s at 1.9 thanks to a totally unsustainable run with us. It’s ok to believe in that but already give up on a prospect. Sounds right. 

He's at 2.5 fwar and 2.1 bwar. His numbers have gotten better since he got to Miami. As someone already said, the numbers are on his side. They certainly aren't on Jake Eder's. Simple as.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Buehrle>Wood

[Dick Allen]

10 hours ago, T R U said:

So now we’re just giving him war to justify not liking the trade?

Big deal, he’s at 1.9 thanks to a totally unsustainable run with us. It’s ok to believe in that but already give up on a prospect. Sounds right. 

The prospect has 5 starts in AA and an 11.42 ERA. Burger had 5 years of control. It’s a bad trade.

[joejoesox]

like AJ said, the Sox never hit on minor league prospects that aren't first rounders. they aren't going to be competitive at the big league level until they tear down the entire farm infrastructure and start over. 

[Balta1701]

45 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The prospect has 5 starts in AA and an 11.42 ERA. Burger had 5 years of control. It’s a bad trade.

The prospect has 6 years of control and is coming back from TJS. 

[Dick Allen]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The prospect has 6 years of control and is coming back from TJS. 

His ERA has gone up 7.50 on the same level since joining the White Sox. Must be the surgery, right?

BTW, he’s almost 25 himself.

Burger with his body type and injury, probably won’t have a long career, but he’s going to be cheap for the best part of it.

[Balta1701]

Just now, Dick Allen said:

His ERA has gone up 7.50 on the same level since joining the White Sox. Must be the surgery, right?

BTW, he’s almost 25 himself.

Burger with his body type and injury, probably won’t have a long career, but he’s going to be cheap for the best part of it.

And the White Sox are looking at a long rebuilding, hence why I still have no problem with the concept of moving a guy who you agree probably won’t have a long career.

[Dick Allen]

7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

And the White Sox are looking at a long rebuilding, hence why I still have no problem with the concept of moving a guy who you agree probably won’t have a long career.

According to their owner they are not looking at a long rebuild.

[Dick Allen]

It’s also nice to know this guy, who will obviously be a pillar in the White Sox rotation , has never pitched 72 innings in a season.

[Chick Mercedes]

1 hour ago, joejoesox said:

like AJ said, the Sox never hit on minor league prospects that aren't first rounders. they aren't going to be competitive at the big league level until they tear down the entire farm infrastructure and start over. 

All they have to do is bring guys up  and hold onto them (when they do well) instead of dicking them around for busted ass veterans. c'est la vie Sox life. We were lampooned when we advocated for this Burger kid to take over.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Chick Mercedes

[T R U]

2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

The prospect has 5 starts in AA and an 11.42 ERA. Burger had 5 years of control. It’s a bad trade.

It’s a bad trade because in 5 starts in AA he’s been bad. Ok. 

[Dick Allen]

4 hours ago, T R U said:

It’s a bad trade because in 5 starts in AA he’s been bad. Ok. 

It’s a bad trade because it’s a 1 for 1 and they gave up the better player.

[ron883]

5 hours ago, T R U said:

It’s a bad trade because in 5 starts in AA he’s been bad. Ok. 

Trading a 3 WAR player with 5 years of control for ONE pitching prospect that is a complete question mark is definitely a bad trade. 

[caulfield12]

19 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Trading a 3 WAR player with 5 years of control for ONE pitching prospect that is a complete question mark is definitely a bad trade. 

Especially already having one TJS and not having proven the durability to even last 70 innings in an entire season at any level...let alone a more pedestrian 100.