White Sox 2023 Playoff Thread

[South Side Hit Men]

Please reply with players who I may have missed. Player has had to played for both the White Sox (any year) & their current team in 2023, and be on the team's current 40 man roster. Former White Sox organizational players who never reached and played at least one game for the White Sox are not considered for this list.

List of ex White Sox who may reach the 2023 Playoffs:

Team currently over .500 Player(s) Years played on the White Sox White Sox bWAR

• Baltimore 90-51 
  • James McCann 2019-2020 4.9
• Boston 72-70 
  • Reese McGuire 2022 0.0
  • Chris Sale 2010-2016 30.1
• Chicago N. L. 76-67 
  • Nick Madrigal 2020-2021 1.7
• Houston 80-62 
  • Jose Abreu 2014-2022 31.8
  • Kendall Graveman 2022-2023 1.7
• Los Angeles N. L. 86-54 
  • Joe Kelly 2022-2023 -1.0
  • Lance Lynn 2021-2023 4.9
• Miami 73-69 
  • Jake Burger 2021-2023 1.7 
  • Johnny Cueto 2022 3.5 
  • Avisail Garcia 2013-2018 6.4
  • David Robertson 2015-2017 2.9
• Milwaukee 79-62
  • Thyago Vieira 2018-2019 -0.5
• Minnesota 75-67
  • Dallas Keuchel 2020-2022 1.0
• Philadelphia
  • Dylan Covey 2017-2019 -2.9
  • Craig Kimbrel 2021 0.0
• Tampa Bay
  • Jake Diekman 2022-2023 -1.3
• Texas
  • Dane Dunning 2020 0.1
  • Marcus Semien 2013-2014 1.3
• Toronto
  • Chris Bassitt 2014 0.6

Edited September 12, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[flavum]

If you’re listing Red Sox, that Sale guy

[Milkman delivers]

I think you can safely remove Boston.

[South Side Hit Men]

This marks the 14th season since divisional play and 30th overall season neither a Chicago or New York team will make the postseason since the New York Highlanders were established in 1903.

• 1903 - 1968 (16): 1903; 1909; 1914; 1915; 1925; 1930; 1931; 1934; 1940; 1944; 1946; 1948; 1965; 1966; 1967; 1968.
• 1969 - 1993 & 1995 - 2023 (14): 1970; 1971; 1972; 1975; 1979; 1982; 1985; 1987; 1990; 1991; 1992; 2013; 2014; 2023.

Eight cities have been represented in the Top 3 most populous American cities since the first census. Brooklyn was annexed by New York City in 1898.

Top Three City History (United States Census):

• 1790: New York; Philadelphia; Boston.
• 1800 - 1820: New York; Philadelphia; Baltimore.
• 1830: New York; Baltimore; Philadelphia.
• 1840: New York; Baltimore; New Orleans.
• 1850: New York; Baltimore; Boston.
• 1860 - 1880: New York; Philadelphia; Brooklyn.
• 1890 - 1950: New York; Chicago; Philadelphia.
• 1960 - 1980: New York; Chicago; Los Angeles.
• 1990 - 2020: New York; Los Angeles; Chicago.

Seasons none of the top three cities in America were represented in The MLB Postseason:

• 1903 - 1959 (New York, Chicago & Philadelphia) (8): 1903; 1909; 1925; 1934; 1940; 1944; 1946; 1948.
• 1960 - 2023 (New York, Chicago & Los Angeles) (10): 1967; 1968; 1970; 1971; 1972; 1975; 1987; 1990; 1991; 1992.

Edited October 1, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[South Side Hit Men]

Chicago White Sox Alumni on Current Active Rosters of Playoff Teams:

• Baltimore (1): James McCann (2019 - 2020 4.9)
• Houston (3): Jose Abreu (2014 - 2022 31.8); Kendall Graveman (2022 - 2023 1.8); Bennett Sousa (2022 -1.0)
• Minnesota (1): Dallas Keuchel (2020 - 2022 1.0)
• Tampa Bay (1): Jake Diekman (2022 - 2023 -1.2)
• Texas (2): Dane Dunning (2020 0.1); Marcus Semien (2013 - 2014 1.3)
• Toronto (1): Chris Bassitt (2014 0.6)

• Arizona (1): Seby Zavala (2019 - 2023 0.1)
• Atlanta (0): None.
• Los Angeles (2 + 2): Joe Kelly (2022 - 2023 -0.9); Lance Lynn (2021 - 2023 5.0)
• Miami (3 + 1): Jake Burger (2021 - 2023 1.7); Johnny Cueto (2022 3.5);   David Robertson (2015 - 2017 2.9)
• Milwaukee (0 + 1): None.
• Philadelphia (1 + 1): Craig Kimbrel (2021 0.0)

Additional Chicago White Sox Alumni on Playoff Team 40 Man Rosters (Injured List):

• Los Angeles: 60 Day IL - 7/12/23 Daniel Hudson (2009 - 2010 0.2); 60 Day IL - 7/19/23 Jake Marisnick (2023 0.0)
• Miami: 10 Day IL - 8/23/23 Avisail Garcia (2013 - 2018 6.4)
• Milwaukee: 15 Day IL 9/18/23 Thyago Vieira (2018 - 2019 -0.5)
• Philadelphia: 15 Day IL - 9/28/23 Dylan Covey (2017 - 2019 -2.9)

Bold number = Career White Sox bWAR

[South Side Hit Men]

Dallas Keuchel (Minnesota) Johnny Cueto (Miami) and Seby Zavala (Arizona) were left off playoff rosters among the eight wild card teams.

Avisail Garcia (Miami), Dylan Covey (Philadelphia) and Thyago Vieira (Milwaukee) were not activated from the IL for their respective Wild Card Series.

Below are the seven former White Sox eligible to play in the Wild Card Round:

• Minnesota (0): None
• Tampa Bay (1): Jake Diekman (2022 - 2023 -1.2)
• Texas (2): Dane Dunning (2020 0.1); Marcus Semien (2013 - 2014 1.3)
• Toronto (1): Chris Bassitt (2014 0.6)

• Arizona (0): None.
• Miami (2): Jake Burger (2021 - 2023 1.7); David Robertson (2015 - 2017 2.9)
• Milwaukee (0): None.
• Philadelphia (1): Craig Kimbrel (2021 0.0)

[South Side Hit Men]

10/3/23 Playoff Stats:

Hitters:

1. Jake Burger Miami 1-4
2. Marcus Semien Texas  0-4,  1 BB, 1 R

Pitchers:

1. Craig Kimbrel Philadelphia 1 IP, 1 H, 1 Save
2. Jake Diekman Tampa Bay 1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 2 K 

 

10/3 White Sox Alumni Player Of The Day Award

 

[South Side Hit Men]

Final Wild Card Round Statistics & Three Stars of the Game:

Hitters:

1. Marcus Semien Texas  1-9, 1 BB, 2 Rs, 1 RBI, 1 K, 1 2B Advanced
2. Jake Burger Miami 2-7, 1 E Eliminated
3. No Star Awarded

Pitchers:

1. Craig Kimbrel Philadelphia 1 IP, 1 H, 1 Save Advanced
2. Jake Diekman Tampa Bay 1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 2 K Eliminated
3. David Robertson Miami 2 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 1 HR, 4 K Eliminated

Did Not Play: Dane Dunning Advanced & Chris Bassitt Eiminated

[Texsox]

Thank you. 

[South Side Hit Men]

Chicago White Sox Alumni on Current Playoff Rosters for the Eight Division Series Teams:

American League

• Baltimore (1): James McCann (2019 - 2020 4.9)
• Houston (1): Jose Abreu (2014 - 2022 31.8)
• Minnesota (0 + 1): None
• Texas (2): Dane Dunning (2020 0.1); Marcus Semien (2013 - 2014 1.3)

National League

• Arizona (0): None.
• Atlanta (0): None.
• Los Angeles (2 + 2): Joe Kelly (2022 - 2023 -0.9); Lance Lynn (2021 - 2023 5.0)
• Philadelphia (1 + 1): Craig Kimbrel (2021 0.0)

Former White Sox Kendall Graveman (Houston), Bennett Sousa (Houston) and Seby Zavala (Arizona) did not make their respective team's Division Series Active Rosters. Kendall Graveman is reported to have right shoulder discomfort.

Additional Chicago White Sox Alumni on Playoff Team 40 Man Rosters (Injured List):

• Los Angeles: 60 Day IL - 7/12/23 Daniel Hudson (2009 - 2010 0.2); 60 Day IL - 7/19/23 Jake Marisnick (2023 0.0)
• Minnesota: 15 Day IL - 10/1/23 Dallas Keuchel (2020 - 2022 1.0)
• Philadelphia: 15 Day IL - 9/28/23 Dylan Covey (2017 - 2019 -2.9)

Daniel Hudson threw in the Dodgers' intersquad game on Thursday. He is hoping to return in a future series this season.

 

[South Side Hit Men]

Down 9-0 is the one scenario where Lance Lynn I can think of where he can provide the Dodgers value by sucking it up and closing out the final five innings.

[chw42]

22 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Down 9-0 is the one scenario where Lance Lynn I can think of where he can provide the Dodgers value by sucking it up and closing out the final five innings.

Lynn is probably gonna start game 3 for them. The Dodgers' starting pitching is a mess.

[South Side Hit Men]

23 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Lynn is probably gonna start game 3 for them. The Dodgers' starting pitching is a mess.

Wow, their five "starting pitchers / bulk relievers" are weak to say the least. I don't really follow the playoffs closely, and skip NL games but might make an effort to hopefully enjoy Dodgers and Lance Lynn schadenfreude if he starts a game. 

In

• Clayton Kershaw 24 GS 13-5 2.46 131 2/3 IP
• Bobby Miller 22 GS 11-4 3.76 124 1/3 IP
• Lance Lynn 32 GS 13-11 5.73 183 2/3 IP
• Ryan Pepiot 3 GS 2-1 2.14 42 IP
• Emmet Sheehan 11 GS 4.92 60 1/3 IP

N Out:

• Domestic Violence Suspension: Julio Urias (yet another Dodgers Domestic Violence Pitcher)
• 60 Day IL:  Walter Buehler, Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May

That's why I think October should be limited to two seven game series (LCS and WS) to reward the top four teams in baseball (return to a two division per league format post contraction or expansion).

I'm not an Atlanta fan, but they should be the beneficiaries of this, not Arizona which finished 16 games back of the Dodgers during the 162 Game "Championship Regular Season".

 

[South Side Hit Men]

The White Sox who played each won their respective Game 1 of the Division Series!!!

1. Craig Kimbrel Phillies 1 IP, 1 Save
2. Dane Dunning Texas  2 IP, 2 Hits, 1 Walk, 1 Earned Run/Run, 1 Home Run, 1 Strikeout, 1 Win
3. Jose Abreu Houston 1-3, 1 Walk, 1 RBI
4. Marcus Semien Texas 0-5, 3 Strikeouts

Did Not Play: James McCann Baltimore; Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly Los Angeles

[Texsox]

7 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

 

That's why I think October should be limited to two seven game series (LCS and WS) to reward the top four teams in baseball (return to a two division per league format post contraction or expansion).

 

 

Exactly. And September should be used to see who they are by playing the better teams head to head instead who gets to beat up in the Sox and As. 

[Texsox]

Nice to see Jose with a good game. 

[South Side Hit Men]

13 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Exactly. And September should be used to see who they are by playing the better teams head to head instead who gets to beat up in the Sox and As. 

No, 1903, 1905-1993 baseball was strong, a large number of people watched the playoffs in person and on TV, and only division or league champions were eligible for the World Series. 

12 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Nice to see Jose with a good game. 

Jose had some adventures on the basepaths, Dusty says he is playing with a lump on his leg.

Pito is my rooting interest this postseason. Watching Lance Lynn give up 7 runs in 1 2/3 would be a nice consolation prize if Houston can't take it.

It's stupid Houston would need to beat Texas again, after beating them over 162 games. All North American professional and collegiate playoffs are garbage.

[Bob Sacamano]

8 hours ago, chw42 said:

Lynn is probably gonna start game 3 for them. The Dodgers' starting pitching is a mess.

Too many injuries. Also, give Pepiot a start.

[Texsox]

3 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

No, 1903, 1905-1993 baseball was strong, a large number of people watched the playoffs in person and on TV, and only division or league champions were eligible for the World Series. 

Jose had some adventures on the basepaths, Dusty says he is playing with a lump on his leg.

Pito is my rooting interest this postseason. Watching Lance Lynn give up 7 runs in 1 2/3 would be a nice consolation prize if Houston can't take it.

It's stupid Houston would need to beat Texas again, after beating them over 162 games. All North American professional and collegiate playoffs are garbage.

The Braves won the most games, season over. Let's celebrate. 

[South Side Hit Men]

6 hours ago, Texsox said:

The Braves won the most games, season over. Let's celebrate. 

If there was a true round robin schedule, that would be fine. There are two separate leagues, so one of two formats are fair and balanced.

Also, expand to 28 player rosters (14 position players + 14 Pitchers) regardless of number of teams to ensure MLBPA buy-in.

• Divisional Format (1969-1993 Two Divisions)
• Single League (1901-1968 Format)

Schedule:

• Expand or contract two teams to reach equal number of league teams.
• Interleague = All Star Game + World Series
• Two Fourteen Team Leagues  (13 League Opponents X 12 Games = 156 Games)
• Two Sixteen Team Leagues (7 Division Opponents X 12 Games = 84) plus (8 Opposite Division Opponents X 10 Games = 80) for 164 Games

Division Format:

Expansion: Montreal & Nashville

AL East: Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Nashville, New York, Tampa, Toronto.

AL West: Chicago, Houston, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Oakland, Texas, Seattle.

NL East: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, Montreal, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington.

NL West: Arizona, Chicago, Colorado, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, Saint Louis, San Diego, San Francisco.

[Texsox]

Playoffs are more exciting. Look at March Madness. Stop the season at 117 games, send the losers home. Play the rest of the season with 16 teams then have an 8 team tournament. 

College basketball crushed the ratings with a huge playoff. College football, same thing. People love win or go home games played by good teams. 

[South Side Hit Men]

3 hours ago, Texsox said:

Playoffs are more exciting. Look at March Madness. Stop the season at 117 games, send the losers home. Play the rest of the season with 16 teams then have an 8 team tournament. 

College basketball crushed the ratings with a huge playoff. College football, same thing. People love win or go home games played by good teams. 

Nobody gives a rats ass about college basketball beyond those betting brackets. The entire regular CBB 30 plus game season is meaningless. 

College Football and MLB were the lone two sports where the regular season meant something, and the whore scum that run both sports ruined both.

American population has increased by 55%, and all three sports cited have showed significant viewer interest over this period. The more each sport expanded their playoffs, the less people are interested.

American Population: 1970 213M 2000 291M 2020 331M (Up over 55%).

Despite huge population shifts, every single sport has far less people watching today than before playoffs were watered down.

College Football Championship: Mythical National Championship Games were higher rated than BCS, and both higher rated than the expanded CFB Playoffs. 2023 at Historic Lows.

College Basketball Championship: 1970s  25-35M 1980s 25-32M 1990s 26-34M 2000s 17-24M 2010s 16-28M 2020s 17-19M

World Series: 1970s  29-44M 1980s 25-42M 1990s 20-36M 2000s 13-25M 2010s* 13-23M 2020s 10-12M

Note *: 2010s single high was a single outlier because the Chicago Cubs won their first World Series in over a century. All others were under 20M average, most in the 13-14M range.

[South Side Hit Men]

Not as good a second playoff day for ex White Sox or their teams.

Teams Off: Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly Dodgers; Craig Kimbrel Phillies

Did Not Play: James McCann Baltimore; Dane Dunning Texas

Results of both American League Game 2

1. Marcus Semien Texas 2-5; 1 BB, 1 RBI, 1 Run.
2. Jose Abreu Houston 0-4

 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Nobody gives a rats ass about college basketball beyond those betting brackets. The entire regular CBB 30 plus game season is meaningless. 

College Football and MLB were the lone two sports where the regular season meant something, and the whore scum that run both sports ruined both.

American population has increased by 55%, and all three sports cited have showed significant viewer interest over this period. The more each sport expanded their playoffs, the less people are interested.

American Population: 1970 213M 2000 291M 2020 331M (Up over 55%).

Despite huge population shifts, every single sport has far less people watching today than before playoffs were watered down.

College Football Championship: Mythical National Championship Games were higher rated than BCS, and both higher rated than the expanded CFB Playoffs. 2023 at Historic Lows.

College Basketball Championship: 1970s  25-35M 1980s 25-32M 1990s 26-34M 2000s 17-24M 2010s 16-28M 2020s 17-19M

World Series: 1970s  29-44M 1980s 25-42M 1990s 20-36M 2000s 13-25M 2010s* 13-23M 2020s 10-12M

Note *: 2010s single high was a single outlier because the Chicago Cubs won their first World Series in over a century. All others were under 20M average, most in the 13-14M range.

My theory of why TV sports have become less popular

Posted on October 29, 2020 9:09 AM by Andrew

 

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/10/29/my-theory-of-why-tv-sports-have-become-less-popular/

[South Side Hit Men]

5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

My theory of why TV sports have become less popular

Posted on October 29, 2020 9:09 AM by Andrew

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/10/29/my-theory-of-why-tv-sports-have-become-less-popular/

I dropped cable shortly after the last Larry Sanders show, so about 25 years ago. Many people are cutting it now. When sports shifted to cable, including baseball, you lower viewership now, which the owners were fine with because they were making more now short term leeching off subscription cable carriage costs from the majority of people who don't even consume the product.

However, over time, this shift from widely available to a shrinking fanbase and shrinking general interest grows exponentially, which is why the World Series has lost 2/3 of it's viewership over a few decades despite the fact there are 40M more people. Abysmal to criminal oversight over the game has pressed the pedal to the medal (1994, steroids, watered down playoffs, interleague garbage which destroyed any interest in the ASG, etc.).