Quin Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 But the Padres are the worst team My theory that these two teams are bound by fate due to Tatis might be true after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 hmmm we would be kicking so much more ass, could finish at the hahn 74 win equilibrium. Bummer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 The @Caulfield Curse (SD #1 worst team). Losing Liam for the season played a big role, just not meant to be this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Minnesota is all of a sudden 15 games above .500 and ahead of 4/5 of the AL East. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Minnesota is all of a sudden 15 games above .500 and ahead of 4/5 of the AL East. Amazing. And they traded Hitting champ Luis Arraez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Quin said: But the Padres are the worst team My theory that these two teams are bound by fate due to Tatis might be true after all. When you are baseball fundamentally stupid and can't execute in extra inning games with the ghost runner it shouldn't be surprising how bad the one-run record is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 A lot of that is idiot Grifol bullpen usage, he made wrong move 80% of the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Soxfest said: A lot of that is idiot Grifol bullpen usage, he made wrong move 80% of the time! While true, there's also one problem - the bullpen is terrible. Joe Kelly was bad and regularly injured. Aaron Bummer was and still is awful. Graveman was acceptable, Santos was acceptable, Middleton might have been tolerable, that's at most a couple tolerable arms. Guys like Lambert, Banks, Shaw - they're borderline big leaguers, the guys who should be called up if someone else gets hurt. Crochet was rushed back so quick from TJS that his body fell apart, and he had a WHIP over 2 while he was here. And they rushed Hendriks back from bloomin' cancer to try to save the pen and his arm gave out because of it. Who is actually supposed to pitch in these games? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Second worst on paper, first worst in our hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 aren't we the third worst? SD +16 STL +11 CWS +10 or am I reading that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 14, 2023 Author Share Posted September 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, MEANS said: aren't we the third worst? SD +16 STL +11 CWS +10 or am I reading that wrong? Nah you're right, I fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 16 hours ago, Quin said: But the Padres are the worst team My theory that these two teams are bound by fate due to Tatis might be true after all. I don’t think it is Tatis that bounds them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 16 hours ago, Balta1701 said: While true, there's also one problem - the bullpen is terrible. Joe Kelly was bad and regularly injured. Aaron Bummer was and still is awful. Graveman was acceptable, Santos was acceptable, Middleton might have been tolerable, that's at most a couple tolerable arms. Guys like Lambert, Banks, Shaw - they're borderline big leaguers, the guys who should be called up if someone else gets hurt. Crochet was rushed back so quick from TJS that his body fell apart, and he had a WHIP over 2 while he was here. And they rushed Hendriks back from bloomin' cancer to try to save the pen and his arm gave out because of it. Who is actually supposed to pitch in these games? So what exactly is the protocol to return to pitch for a pitcher coming off non-Hodgkins treatment with a history of a partially torn UCL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, ptatc said: So what exactly is the protocol to return to pitch for a pitcher coming off non-Hodgkins treatment with a history of a partially torn UCL? Don't bring him back to the big leagues until he has gotten back to his normal velocity? Maybe a full 6 to 8 week spring training, maybe even longer as no matter what he did his body wouldn't be in full athletic shape after chemotherapy? Seems like a good starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2022 AL Central, same rules: Minnesota: 86-76 Cleveland: 81-81 White Sox: 70-92 Kansas City: 69-93 Detroit: 64-98 Lessons: 1. Cleveland's bullpen the last two years has been super strong. They have been a massive help to this team, they won a division title because of their bullpen. 2. Minnesota could have won the division the last two years had their bullpens not been terrible. Their bullpen is perhaps the top reason why they didn't win the division last year and it's the reason why they're the worst division leader this year. They need to fix this. 3. The White Sox might not be as bad as they were this year, their bullpen has been bad and that has been a major problem, but they also were probably worse than their record last year and they probably got a little lucky overall in '22. They were a 3rd place team, well below .500 both years if it wasn't for the 1-run game swings. 4. Neither Detroit nor KC have been any good and the bullpens haven't been important there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Don't bring him back to the big leagues until he has gotten back to his normal velocity? Maybe a full 6 to 8 week spring training, maybe even longer as no matter what he did his body wouldn't be in full athletic shape after chemotherapy? Seems like a good starting point. Are you saying he wasn't in full athletic shape? He seemed to think he was. He was throwing the whole time so to back him way down to a full Spring Training really didn't make much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 2022 AL Central, same rules: Minnesota: 86-76 Cleveland: 81-81 White Sox: 70-92 Kansas City: 69-93 Detroit: 64-98 Lessons: 1. Cleveland's bullpen the last two years has been super strong. They have been a massive help to this team, they won a division title because of their bullpen. 2. Minnesota could have won the division the last two years had their bullpens not been terrible. Their bullpen is perhaps the top reason why they didn't win the division last year and it's the reason why they're the worst division leader this year. They need to fix this. 3. The White Sox might not be as bad as they were this year, their bullpen has been bad and that has been a major problem, but they also were probably worse than their record last year and they probably got a little lucky overall. 4. Neither Detroit nor KC have been any good and the bullpens haven't been important there. So you're saying they should spend more money to improve the bullpen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, ptatc said: So you're saying they should spend more money to improve the bullpen? Minnesota? Yeah, they have to do something. It is really mattering for them. The White Sox? They got an excellent performance in 1-run games in 2022, and that at best dragged them up to .500 and 2nd place. A great bullpen performance this year would still leave them 3rd place and well out of the playoffs, so they would be better off strengthening their roster as a whole first because they have so many holes that the bullpen isn't the biggest issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: So you're saying they should spend more money to improve the bullpen? If the goal is 90+ losses again...they will stick with their current bullpen churning the deck from the waiver wire philosophy. The Royals worked because you had three near quasi elite relievers simultaneously (and relatively cost controlled) in Holland Davis Escobar near their primes simultaneously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Minnesota? Yeah, they have to do something. It is really mattering for them. The White Sox? They got an excellent performance in 1-run games in 2022, and that at best dragged them up to .500 and 2nd place. A great bullpen performance this year would still leave them 3rd place and well out of the playoffs, so they would be better off strengthening their roster as a whole first because they have so many holes that the bullpen isn't the biggest issue. makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Twins added Jorge Lopez in 2022 and he was a complete dud after All Star level in 2022. Duran and Clase (CLE) both have great stuff but not nearly as dominant as they both were in 2022. Even with 100+ there are so many guys throwing nearly that hard like a Santos on the Sox it's easier to time than years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Well, I would think that the Sox are the third worst, or worse, in most areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/13/2023 at 5:10 PM, Soxfest said: A lot of that is idiot Grifol bullpen usage, he made wrong move 80% of the time! Easy to make the wrong move when there's no right move among the bozos you have to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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