Giolito's Decline

[coldwatersox]

Giolito was absolutely rocked by Cincinnati last night. He has nothing in the tank. Basically, he has morphed into nothingmore than a pitcher (thrower) serving up beach balls to the hitters in a home run derby contest. It is remarkable how far he has fallen this season. He may only get a spring training invite next year without any guarantees. He can forget any possibility of a lucrative long term free agency contract. Who is the "real" Lucas Giolito? Maybe Donaldson was correct about the sticky stuff. His fastball velocity has dropped to the 91 range which eliminates the past effectiveness of his changeup. 

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

26 minutes ago, coldwatersox said:

Giolito was absolutely rocked by Cincinnati last night. He has nothing in the tank. Basically, he has morphed into nothingmore than a pitcher (thrower) serving up beach balls to the hitters in a home run derby contest. It is remarkable how far he has fallen this season. He may only get a spring training invite next year without any guarantees. He can forget any possibility of a lucrative long term free agency contract. Who is the "real" Lucas Giolito? Maybe Donaldson was correct about the sticky stuff. His fastball velocity has dropped to the 91 range which eliminates the past effectiveness of his changeup. 

I imagine someone would give him a 1/10.  But that is looking like best case scenario at this point.

[Quin]

2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I imagine someone would give him a 1/10.  But that is looking like best case scenario at this point.

At this point the Sox need 1/10 guys to fill out the rotation.

If the coaching staff is back, might as well bring back a guy who Katz has had success with + let Bannister get his hands on him.

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

Just now, Quin said:

At this point the Sox need 1/10 guys to fill out the rotation.

If the coaching staff is back, might as well bring back a guy who Katz has had success with + let Bannister get his hands on him.

Agreed. I'd give him a 1/10.

[KipWellsFan]

He struck out 12 guys three starts ago, so obviously there is still something there.

[Quin]

Cause guys, let's remember that this is the current 2024 rotation under contract:

Cease-Kopech-Schlotens-Patino.

Touki is almost a lock to re-sign. Then you've got the elite battle of Honeywell, Martin's reconstructed arm and Burke (if he exists) in the mix. 

Mena and Nastrini are gonna get a few starts in AAA. Who knows what the plan is for Crochet.

Also, Cease could be traded, creating a true Murdered Row of a rotation.

[South Side Hit Men]

"I want to kill the union."

- Jerry Reinsdorf 1994

"I want to kill the union."

- Jerry Reinsdorf 2023

 

 

[Buehrle>Wood]

Giolito back here makes too much sense. The only bad part is it may signal more of Katz.

[South Side Hit Men]

2 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Giolito back here makes too much sense. The only bad part is it may signal more of Katz.

Pretty sure Brian Bannister signals more Katz, though it's possible I'm wrong.

[The Mighty Mite]

1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Pretty sure Brian Bannister signals more Katz, though it's possible I'm wrong.

I hope you’re wrong too. None of the coaches should be brought back, wish Grifol was going to go too.

[GreenSox]

What doesn't make sense is the premise:  bringing this coaching staff back.
The manager is one thing;

but the coaches are really more important re organizational rebuilding, which is what this operation needs to get going with.

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

I pray to the heavens that the White Sox move the f*** on from broken pitchers that used to be good and used to be Sox.

Gio's bad now. Just move on. 

[hankchifan]

1 hour ago, coldwatersox said:

Giolito was absolutely rocked by Cincinnati last night. He has nothing in the tank. Basically, he has morphed into nothingmore than a pitcher (thrower) serving up beach balls to the hitters in a home run derby contest. It is remarkable how far he has fallen this season. He may only get a spring training invite next year without any guarantees. He can forget any possibility of a lucrative long term free agency contract. Who is the "real" Lucas Giolito? Maybe Donaldson was correct about the sticky stuff. His fastball velocity has dropped to the 91 range which eliminates the past effectiveness of his changeup. 

It was a good trade for the Sox after all.

[South Side Hit Men]

50 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

I hope you’re wrong too. None of the coaches should be brought back, wish Grifol was going to go too.

Jerry paying Rick, Kenny AND Pedro to stay home for four combined seasons?

Sox have a better chance at acquiring Ohtani. 

[Balta1701]

Stereotype of Jerry Reinsdorf today: totally unwilling to change things or take outside feedback. Reinsdorf fires his GM, finds the only mediocre white guy in his organization who won't give him independent and outside feedback or demand for him to change anything about how he's running the organization, hires him for GM without competition. Completely living up to the stereotype, to the letter.

Stereotype of Jerry Reinsdorf: so anti-union that basic things like "being a spokesperson for the Union during the 2021 lockout would be totally infuriating for him and a complete breaking point with that player". A few months later, the team breaks off negotiations and takes that player to an arbitration hearing over a difference in salary of $50,000 -  a stunningly petty move that counts as completely living up to the stereotype, to the letter. 

You can do more of these, the LaRussa hiring, draft picks, international signings, front office staffing, low pay for his part time employees, he is basically living up to every stereotype we have for him.

And now that the player who was a public union spokesperson was traded away, and Reinsdorf has spent the last several years totally and utterly living up to every single bad stereotype about him to the letter in every single way we can think of, we expect him to do the exact opposite and bring that player back? If we get a thread about Giolito coming back, you may call me on this one and I will say that Reinsdorf shocked me because I sure don't see this as Reinsdorf behavior.

[Bob Sacamano]

If I'm Giolito, I probably don't want to come back here lol watch him sign a one-year deal in LA (Dodgers) back home and become a stud.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Bob Sacamano

[ron883]

Cheatolito is nothing without spider goop

[Texsox]

Move on. The further and faster we get away from 2023 the better. 

[The Grinder]

The fallout of KW, JR & RH has far reaching fingers

[Paulie4Pres]

Really starting to look like he was a huge cheater, and is barely an MLB pitcher without the spider tack.

[kitekrazy]

3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

If I'm Giolito, I probably don't want to come back here lol watch him sign a one-year deal in LA (Dodgers) back home and become a stud.

Nope. They might have made an offer. 

The Sox non signings of pitchers seem like they know what they are doing.

[nrockway]

I thought good pitchers came to the Sox to die and vice versa. I thought the Dodgers just told pitchers it was all in the tongue and the finger and their careers were rejuvenated but guess what Lance is still fucking bad

Edited September 28, 2023 by nrockway

[Soxfest]

No sticky stuff and he blows 

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

8 hours ago, Quin said:

At this point the Sox need 1/10 guys to fill out the rotation.

If the coaching staff is back, might as well bring back a guy who Katz has had success with + let Bannister get his hands on him.

Bannister might literally tell them to stay away.