CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 11 hours ago, Johno said: So are we at a point where the teams going after Cease have made their offers and Getz and his staff our deciding what if any of the offers to take? This is going to be a long process unless Getz gets an offer he can't refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: This is going to be a long process unless Getz gets an offer he can't refuse. I've read a number of times that Cease would be willing to sign a long term contract with the White Sox. Why not just sign him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, WBWSF said: I've read a number of times that Cease would be willing to sign a long term contract with the White Sox. Why not just sign him? JR doesn't do long term contracts with pitchers and Boras is his agent . So I don't know what you read and when you read it but that's not happening. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: JR doesn't do long term contracts with pitchers and Boras is his agent . So I don't know what you read and when you read it but that's not happening. The Sox have signed their own to deals. Guys like buerhle and danks. Up to 4 or 5 years. It's smarter practice as they know all of injury history and the person. Boras is a complicating factor though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ptatc said: The Sox have signed their own to deals. Guys like buerhle and danks. Up to 4 or 5 years. It's smarter practice as they know all of injury history and the person. Boras is a complicating factor though. It's still not happening regardless of any ancient signing of the past. The team currently lacks talent and Cease is in demand . Trading him to multiply the talent base for future teams is a needed step. What does resigning him accomplish ? If jR is going to keep doing what he always does it makes no sense to have guys on the Sox making $25M+ per year if it prevent signing other guys. Hell the Sox couldn't finish off a rebuild because they were paying relief pitchers good salaries while their core layers were constantly injured and couldn't put multiple years of consistent high quality performances together . They didn't build any depth, couldn't draft or develop talent , and had no superstars and weren't willing to pay for any. No one can imagine JR paying like the Phillies do or finishing off rebuilds with high priced free agents like the Astros and Cubs did. He laughed at the idea of signing the most unique and marketable player the sport has seen in almost a century. Edited November 23, 2023 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: It's still not happening regardless of any ancient signing of the past. The team currently lacks talent and Cease is in demand . Trading him to multiply the talent base for future teams is a needed step. What does resigning him accomplish ? If jR is going to keep doing what he always does it makes no sense to have guys on the Sox making $25M+ per year if it prevent signing other guys. Hell the Sox couldn't finish off a rebuild because they were paying relief pitchers good salaries while their core layers were constantly injured and couldn't put multiple years of consistent high quality performances together . They didn't build any depth, couldn't draft or develop talent , and had no superstars and weren't willing to pay for any. No one can imagine JR paying like the Phillies do or finishing off rebuilds with high priced free agents like the Astros and Cubs did. He laughed at the idea of signing the most unique and marketable player the sport has seen in almost a century. I agree they should trade him. With the Boras factor, I wouldn't take a chance on not signing him. My point was that JR has shown loyalty, I know it's a dirty word here, to their own players, including pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: I agree they should trade him. With the Boras factor, I wouldn't take a chance on not signing him. My point was that JR has shown loyalty, I know it's a dirty word here, to their own players, including pitchers. Loyal, cheap deals at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: Loyal, cheap deals at that. Bruce Levine has said the White Sox are going to trade for pitching and defense this off season. If that's true why trade Cease the teams best pitcher? Getz should approach Cease and try to extend him and go on from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ptatc said: The Sox have signed their own to deals. Guys like buerhle and danks. Up to 4 or 5 years. It's smarter practice as they know all of injury history and the person. Boras is a complicating factor though. He let Buehrle go. He let Abreu go. He is not loyal at all until they enter management 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, bmags said: He let Buehrle go. He let Abreu go. He is not loyal at all until they enter management Frank Thomas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: Bruce Levine has said the White Sox are going to trade for pitching and defense this off season. If that's true why trade Cease the teams best pitcher? Getz should approach Cease and try to extend him and go on from there. Short answer: No...he shouldn't. Get the best possible deal you can for him because this team is going to be an unmitigated disaster on and off the field for the next two years or until new ownership arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Short answer: No...he shouldn't. Get the best possible deal you can for him because this team is going to be an unmitigated disaster on and off the field for the next two years or until new ownership arrives. Truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: It's still not happening regardless of any ancient signing of the past. The team currently lacks talent and Cease is in demand . Trading him to multiply the talent base for future teams is a needed step. What does resigning him accomplish ? If jR is going to keep doing what he always does it makes no sense to have guys on the Sox making $25M+ per year if it prevent signing other guys. Hell the Sox couldn't finish off a rebuild because they were paying relief pitchers good salaries while their core layers were constantly injured and couldn't put multiple years of consistent high quality performances together . They didn't build any depth, couldn't draft or develop talent , and had no superstars and weren't willing to pay for any. No one can imagine JR paying like the Phillies do or finishing off rebuilds with high priced free agents like the Astros and Cubs did. He laughed at the idea of signing the most unique and marketable player the sport has seen in almost a century. Can anyone really imagine JR rewarding Robert with a massive extension if he can continue to improve upon his 2023 performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Loyal, cheap deals at that. Both danks and buerhle received fair market deals. I think Moncada, jimenez and Robert got deals that were fair to buy out fa years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, bmags said: He let Buehrle go. He let Abreu go. He is not loyal at all until they enter management After signing one extension. Buerhle left going into the second extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Short answer: No...he shouldn't. Get the best possible deal you can for him because this team is going to be an unmitigated disaster on and off the field for the next two years or until new ownership arrives. What makes people truly think the next owner will be drastically different? How many potential owners are out there that will just spend the team deep into the red for a team that is second string to the Cubs in a town where baseball will always be second th football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: What makes people truly think the next owner will be drastically different? How many potential owners are out there that will just spend the team deep into the red for a team that is second string to the Cubs in a town where baseball will always be second th football? Football and baseball barely overlap, so not sure why that matters at all. And good owners invest in their product and give their consumers a reason for consuming it. Jerry refuses to do any of that and then has minions blame the fans for not being able to spend a dollar when you only have 50 cents. It’s hard to imagine any replacement owner could be worse than Jerry and the Sox are a potential sleeping giant with the right person at the very top. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Football and baseball barely overlap, so not sure why that matters at all. And good owners invest in their product and give their consumers a reason for consuming it. Jerry refuses to do any of that and then has minions blame the fans for not being able to spend a dollar when you only have 50 cents. It’s hard to imagine any replacement owner could be worse than Jerry and the Sox are a potential sleeping giant with the right person at the very top. I think this is overly optimistic. Look around the league. Most owners aren't much different. Football makes a big difference in overall fan interest and investment dollars. The NFL gets year round attention now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, WBWSF said: Bruce Levine has said the White Sox are going to trade for pitching and defense this off season. If that's true why trade Cease the teams best pitcher? Getz should approach Cease and try to extend him and go on from there. Ugh.....we need to be trading for bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, WBWSF said: Bruce Levine has said the White Sox are going to trade for pitching and defense this off season. If that's true why trade Cease the teams best pitcher? Getz should approach Cease and try to extend him and go on from there. I highly doubt he extends with anyone. You don't hire Scott Boras to sign a below market extension 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I highly doubt he extends with anyone. You don't hire Scott Boras to sign a below market extension Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I'm afraid that Cease and Eloy are going to be traded and the White Sox get very little in return. If that's the case I think its better to keep them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I thought @Pal suggested something (not necessarily Cease) was pretty close and might go down before Thanksgiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I thought @Pal suggested something (not necessarily Cease) was pretty close and might go down before Thanksgiving. Might being the key word. Edited November 23, 2023 by Rowand44 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rowand44 said: Might being the key word. Yeah I know but I had my hopes up anyway. I just want to see something meaningful that doesn't involve crap signings just to fill spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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