Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This is worrisome but I still think he gets moved. Value will never be higher. Cease’s value could absolutely be higher in 6 months, if he is back to something like his 2022 form. This is only true if he has a rotten first half again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Agreed but I’m not sure Baltimore has offered this. Sox wanted Cowser/Ortiz/Beavers at the deadline and Baltimore balked. I hope they enjoyed Jack Flaherty Lolololol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: Lolololol Flaherty with the stellar 6.75 ERA as an Oriole. Oops. I guess Elias can make some stupid moves… Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) If the O’s seriously balked at that price then, they aren’t the trade partner for the Sox. 2.5 full seasons of Dylan Cease for that and they passed, cmon man. Let the free agents sign, once they start signing the more teams will be interested in trading prospects for starting pitching. Make Baltimore get desperate if they really want Cease. Again the Sox hold all the cards Edited December 28, 2023 by Rey21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Flaherty with the stellar 6.75 ERA as an Oriole. Oops. I guess Elias can make some stupid moves… Cease’s ERA in the 2nd half was 4.96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Cease’s value could absolutely be higher in 6 months, if he is back to something like his 2022 form. This is only true if he has a rotten first half again. I think the risk of injury and getting jack squat for Cease far outweighs seeing if he can regain his 2022 form and trading him at the deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, fathom said: Yes, if they’re not pitching prospects OMG...so basically the JR edict that he's not going to pay money for pitching in the next rebuild is true and we are artificially forced to accept SP prospect only offers. So basically it could only be ATL, CIN, CHC or LAD at this point, right? So BAL is just a stalking horse used for leverage only and Getz doesn't give a s%*# about them even if savages are offered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Cease’s ERA in the 2nd half was 4.96. You right Jack Flahrety > Dylan Cease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Cease’s ERA in the 2nd half was 4.96. I was talking about acquiring Flaherty, not Cease. But if you think Flaherty is a better acquisition than Cease, more power to you. Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Rey21 said: You right Jack Flahrety > Dylan Cease Naw, but neither of them would have helped a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Balta1701 said: Naw, but neither of them would have helped a contender. One of them actually went to a contender and was bad, the other didn’t get a chance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Naw, but neither of them would have helped a contender. I mean, I’m not sure it’s fair to assume that Cease would have pitched exactly the same behind their defense and with their pitching coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: OMG...so basically the JR edict that he's not going to pay money for pitching in the next rebuild is true and we are artificially forced to accept SP prospect only offers. So basically it could only be ATL, CIN, CHC or LAD at this point, right? So BAL is just a stalking horse used for leverage only and Getz doesn't give a s%*# about them even if savages are offered? If it is so be it, Sox need everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Naw, but neither of them would have helped a contender. Except Cease had a 2.83 ERA in September and appeared to be getting stronger as the season concluded. OTOH, Flaherty had a 7.20 ERA in September and faded terribly as the season concluded. Not sure how you can definitively say that Cease wouldn’t have helped a team in the playoffs with how he was pitching in September. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, I’m not sure it’s fair to assume that Cease would have pitched exactly the same behind their defense and with their pitching coach. “My pitching coach can fix this badly broken pitcher” continues to be a vexing argument for paying a high price for a player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, I’m not sure it’s fair to assume that Cease would have pitched exactly the same behind their defense and with their pitching coach. Nah guaranteed Cease would have sucked with zero shot of regaining any sort of motivation by getting traded to a contender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, I’m not sure it’s fair to assume that Cease would have pitched exactly the same behind their defense and with their pitching coach. Exactly what I was going to say. Also, the rejuvenated excitement for pitching for a contender, not a 100 loss team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Except Cease had a 2.83 ERA in September and appeared to be getting stronger as the season concluded. OTOH, Flaherty had a 7.20 ERA in September and faded terribly as the season concluded. Not sure how you can definitively say that Cease wouldn’t have helped a team in the playoffs with how he was pitching in September. Cease had an 8.07 ERA in August. Games in August count too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Cease had an 8.07 ERA in August. Games in August count too! They didn’t count for the White Sox, lol. Not sure how you can possibly make the assumption that Cease puts up the same numbers with the Orioles as he did with our piece of s%*# non-contending team. Amazing… Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Balta1701 said: “My pitching coach can fix this badly broken pitcher” continues to be a vexing argument for paying a high price for a player. It strains the outermost boundaries of credulity to suggest an fWAR of 3.7 instead of 4.4 is "badly broken" but I'm glad you are arguing in good faith here Balta... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: OMG...so basically the JR edict that he's not going to pay money for pitching in the next rebuild is true and we are artificially forced to accept SP prospect only offers. So basically it could only be ATL, CIN, CHC or LAD at this point, right? So BAL is just a stalking horse used for leverage only and Getz doesn't give a s%*# about them even if savages are offered? Dodgers care less about the money/salary aspect and would seemingly prefer holding on to their prospects, a one year deal for Bieber at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, SoCalChiSox said: It strains the outermost boundaries of credulity to suggest an fWAR of 3.7 instead of 4.4 is "badly broken" but I'm glad you are arguing in good faith here Balta... Is an ERA of 8.07 a “badly broken” pitcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Cease had an 8.07 ERA in August. Games in August count too! He was pitching some of his best baseball over the last month of the season and yet you definitively say he wouldn’t have helped a team in the playoffs. Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: They didn’t count for the White Sox, lol. Not sure how you can possibly make the assumption that Cease puts up the same numbers with the Orioles as he did with our piece of s%*# team. Amazing… Would have to look at his numbers with different catchers down the stretch. Especially Lee, but I wasn't even following the team then to know if he stuck with his regular catcher or they switched it up or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: It strains the outermost boundaries of credulity to suggest an fWAR of 3.7 instead of 4.4 is "badly broken" but I'm glad you are arguing in good faith here Balta... Do you believe that Dylan Cease was a better pitcher in 2021 than in 2022? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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