ptatc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: So, as it stands right now, your rotation is Cease, Fedde, Kopech, Crochet and Soroka. Toussant probably makes the bullpen, you have Shuster, Scholtens, Flexen and Kuhl behind them, and Mena, Nastrini, Sean Burke and Jonathan Stiever in AA or AAA. Davis Martin probably comes back 2nd half. That isn't horrible rotational depth, if there's a plan to nurture soroka, flexen and kuhl. Martin replaces Cease if he's traded at the deadline, and they have enough guys for a revolving door in the 4 and 5 spots. Get a RF, and I can see a .500 team if I squint. Crochet is not ready to be a full time starter this year. He had 12 innings last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Crochet isn't a starter. Not out of the gate but they plan on him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Whisox05 said: Not out of the gate but they plan on him He will never be a starting pitcher in the major leagues. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: Crochet is not ready to be a full time starter this year. He had 12 innings last year. And has never been stretched out for a starters workload. This all matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Crochet isn't a starter. 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: Crochet is not ready to be a full time starter this year. He had 12 innings last year. Getz is approaching the season accepting that Crochet is getting stretched out to start. I would take 10-15 starts from Crochet as a huge positive. Davis Martin, Mena, Nastrini - somebody will be ready to step in when Crochet's innings are limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, WestEddy said: Getz is approaching the season accepting that Crochet is getting stretched out to start. I would take 10-15 starts from Crochet as a huge positive. Davis Martin, Mena, Nastrini - somebody will be ready to step in when Crochet's innings are limited. He will have 0 starts. 0% chance of him becoming a starter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: And has never been stretched out for a starters workload. This all matters. When was the last time he was even available to pitch as a regular reliever? Him starting can't seriously be part of their plans next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Getz is approaching the season accepting that Crochet is getting stretched out to start. I would take 10-15 starts from Crochet as a huge positive. Davis Martin, Mena, Nastrini - somebody will be ready to step in when Crochet's innings are limited. Garrett Crochet has pitched a TOTAL of 217 innings since 2018.. That is 6 years, or averaging 36 innings a season. He has not started more than 1 game since 2019. He will never be a starting pitcher. Edited January 9 by Squirmin' for Yermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Garrett Crochet has pitched a TOTAL of 217 innings since 2018.. That is 6 years, or averaging 36 innings a season. He has not started more than 1 game since 2019. He will never be a starting pitcher. Have you seen the other thread in which Garfein quotes Getz as saying their intention is to use him as a starter in 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Garrett Crochet has pitched a TOTAL of 217 innings since 2018.. That is 6 years, or averaging 36 innings a season. He has not started more than 1 game since 2019. He will never be a starting pitcher. Even if they were planning on trying to stretch him out into a multi-inning opener or something of the sort, he's never shown he can handle the increase workload. Asinine decision making is par for the course but I honestly don't understand how they can expect this to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, PorkChopExpress said: Have you seen the other thread in which Garfein quotes Getz as saying their intention is to use him as a starter in 2024? Yes. I take it as your general "offseason speak". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Tnetennba said: Even if they were planning on trying to stretch him out into a multi-inning opener or something of the sort, he's never shown he can handle the increase workload. Asinine decision making is par for the course but I honestly don't understand how they can expect this to work. Yeah, I guess they could stretch him out to being an "opener" who can pitch 2-3 innings. But I certainly wouldn't qualify that as a starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Garrett Crochet has pitched a TOTAL of 217 innings since 2018.. That is 6 years, or averaging 36 innings a season. He has not started more than 1 game since 2019. He will never be a starting pitcher. So he doesn't have a lot of mileage on that arm. I choose to see that as a positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yeah, I guess they could stretch him out to being an "opener" who can pitch 2-3 innings. But I certainly wouldn't qualify that as a starting pitcher. Weren't they also talking about pairing him up with Kopech? Each guy can pitch 3-4 innings of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Crochet isn't a starter. Nor is Kopech at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weren't they also talking about pairing him up with Kopech? Each guy can pitch 3-4 innings of a game. I don't know if they've ever talked about it, but I know we fans have. Having both aligned to pitch on the same day is probably wise, but who knows if that's in their plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weren't they also talking about pairing him up with Kopech? Each guy can pitch 3-4 innings of a game. I know there's some logic and potential here, but as a jaded Sox fan I choose to lol that we're at the "Combine Two Guys To Make One Guy" stage of things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Snopek said: I know there's some logic and potential here, but as a jaded Sox fan I choose to lol that we're at the "Combine Two Guys To Make One Guy" stage of things. I’d be so pumped at a new concept of pairings. 5 two man pairs on 5 days rest. And then you have some swing arms accounting for implosions etc. there would be more nuance to it than that obviously but it’s a cool framework based on our current stables 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 37 minutes ago, Whisox05 said: Not out of the gate but they plan on him I would doubt that. He hasn't thrown enough to start more than once every few weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 26 minutes ago, WestEddy said: So he doesn't have a lot of mileage on that arm. I choose to see that as a positive. That's true but he can't go from 12 innings to 150 in a year. He probably can't go more than 80 or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 26 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weren't they also talking about pairing him up with Kopech? Each guy can pitch 3-4 innings of a game. They could do that. But even then he would be limited to 20 appearances or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Team stinks, who cares if they try out Crochet at starter. At least Getz is being very transparent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: I’d be so pumped at a new concept of pairings. 5 two man pairs on 5 days rest. And then you have some swing arms accounting for implosions etc. there would be more nuance to it than that obviously but it’s a cool framework based on our current stables You need really consistent pitchers then. Pitching staffs are usually 13. That means you are scheduling 10 of them. If 2 have back to back bad days, there is no one left for the 3rd day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: That's true but he can't go from 12 innings to 150 in a year. He probably can't go more than 80 or so. Yeah, 10-15 starts, then move to the bullpen. Or pair with another arm to go through he batting order once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Team stinks, who cares if they try out Crochet at starter. At least Getz is being very transparent Because they don't need to pay for another surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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