Tomtom Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Would they be in a better bargaining position if they kept him and waited for the trade deadline in August? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Stroman's charity foundation twitter just said he's signing with the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty22hotty Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Sports Guy said: And that’s fine. Maybe you just say F it..don’t rebuild because of how the draft is now. Maybe you just roll with what you have and see if you can build while trying to win. That’s fine too. most of us here lived through 2005 and are content knowing there will never be another white sox team to top them. The O's on the other hand have a chance to build their best team since Ripken started his streak... but they're balking over giving up their 2026 1B (Mayo) or 2025 RF (Cowser) and 2026 DH (Kjer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Stroman's charity foundation twitter just said he's signing with the Yankees. Nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, scotty22hotty said: most of us here lived through 2005 and are content knowing there will never be another white sox team to top them. The O's on the other hand have a chance to build their best team since Ripken started his streak... but they're balking over giving up their 2026 1B (Mayo) or 2025 RF (Cowser) and 2026 DH (Kjer) All of those guys will be contributors in 2024, including at least one and maybe 2 on OD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The thing is with these Orioles prospects, at some point, either fans of the Orioles or fans of the White Sox, wherever they may play, are going to think they suck. Look at all the prospects the Sox got for their 3 guys, Moncada, Kopech, suck. Eloy sucks. Cease used to suck. Gio used to suck, then sucked again. Lopez sucked usually, Dunning got traded for a guy who eventually sucked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The thing is with these Orioles prospects, at some point, either fans of the Orioles or fans of the White Sox, wherever they may play, are going to think they suck. Look at all the prospects the Sox got for their 3 guys, Moncada, Kopech, suck. Eloy sucks. Cease used to suck. Gio used to suck, then sucked again. Lopez sucked usually, Dunning got traded for a guy who eventually sucked. Last year at this time, people on here would have said hell no to trading Colas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Whisox05 said: That’s why Heyman gets paid the big bucks. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Whisox05 said: James Paxton would be such a letdown for any team going for it lol He probably injured himself since the time that video was posted. Edited January 12 by Bob Sacamano 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: James Paxton would be such a letdown for any team going for it lol Other than Clevinger, he might be the only other free agent pitcher that the Orioles could reasonably afford with their payroll. I think I heard Heyman also mention Hyun Jin Ryu as an option after Paxton. Edited January 12 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 If Sports Guy wasn't so unlikable, I'd feel bad for O's fans. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 26 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Other than Clevinger, he might be the only other free agent pitcher that the Orioles could reasonably afford with their payroll. I think I heard Heyman also mention Hyun Jin Ryu as an option after Paxton. Ryu is my prediction if they sign a FA and not get someone in trade. Edited January 12 by Sports Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Saufley said: How in the world did this organization go from the 2023 Championship team (expected to be) to this! This has to be the worst run organization in all of professional sports! Apparently, we were not as good as people thought. Likewise, I don't think we will be as bad as people think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, poppysox said: Apparently, we were not as good as people thought. Likewise, I don't think we will be as bad as people think. Also, AL Central is a weak division. All you need is to get into the playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Ryu is my prediction if they sign a FA and not get someone in trade. yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, poppysox said: Likewise, I don't think we will be as bad as people think. If they keep Cease and solve RF, I think this team could easily be better than last year's. You had negative WAR at 4 positions last year. Just putting replacement level players in RF, 2B, SS and C probably adds 5 wins. And just having options vs. Lynn/Kopech/Toussant/Scholtens adds a few more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: If they keep Cease and solve RF, I think this team could easily be better than last year's. You had negative WAR at 4 positions last year. Just putting replacement level players in RF, 2B, SS and C probably adds 5 wins. And just having options vs. Lynn/Kopech/Toussant/Scholtens adds a few more. Seems to me the Sox are probably done making any multi-million dollar one year free agent signings, outside of picking up guys on very cheap or minor league deals. If Cease isn’t traded with an OF coming back, I don’t see who is reasonably solving RF outside of Colas. Also, the rotation is still likely to be terrible even with Cease in it. Edited January 12 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Sports Guy said: 2) So because it happened with one, means it will happen again? When they traded Quintana, did they try the offseason before, not get what they want and then got more in July? (I don’t remember) either way, even if that’s what they did, it doesn’t mean it will work again Fwiw, yes, this is exactly how the Quintana deal went. I was starting to worry during the year because he started off the year poorly, even though some of his advanced stats were still good, then a huge offer came around in early July. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: yikes Yea, it’s really sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Fwiw, yes, this is exactly how the Quintana deal went. I was starting to worry during the year because he started off the year poorly, even though some of his advanced stats were still good, then a huge offer came around in early July. Thanks for the info. Do you remember what was being offered in the offseason? (Or did it even come out?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Thanks for the info. Do you remember what was being offered in the offseason? (Or did it even come out?) This was also Quintana’s contract when he was traded. The Cubs kept him for all 3.5 years, from July 2017 through his second team option for the 2020 season. I remember Quintana having a ton of value due to his multiple years of cheap control. 17:$6M, 18:$8.35M, 19:$10.5M club option ($1M buyout),20:$10.5M club option ($1M buyout) The best part of the trade at the time was that two posters on Reddit broke the trade, and they both had hilarious names that were published in ESPN, SI, etc. articles. https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/07/13/jose-quintana-trade-white-sox-reddit Good ol "KatyPerrysBootyHole" and "wetbutt23". ? Edited January 12 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: This was also Quintana’s contract when he was traded. The Cubs kept him for all 3.5 years, from July 2017 through his second team option for the 2020 season. I remember Quintana having a ton of value due to his multiple years of cheap control. 17:$6M, 18:$8.35M, 19:$10.5M club option ($1M buyout),20:$10.5M club option ($1M buyout) The best part of the trade at the time was that two posters on Reddit broke the trade, and they both had hilarious names that were published in ESPN, SI, etc. articles. https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/07/13/jose-quintana-trade-white-sox-reddit Well that contract certainly matters too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 12 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Thanks for the info. Do you remember what was being offered in the offseason? (Or did it even come out?) I don't remember this but I don't think there were a ton of rumors, in part because Hahn pulled off two other major trades that offseason with Boston and Washington so there weren't a ton of buyers left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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