Sports Guy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 17 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’m guessing that Getz is insisting on Cowser/Kjerstad and Westburg. Which explains why a deal isn’t done. I said today my assumption is one of the OFers, Westburg and something like Beavers and McDermott/Povich. That is in line with the reported ask from Getz. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 18 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’m guessing that Getz is insisting on Cowser/Kjerstad and Westburg. Which explains why a deal isn’t done. I said today my assumption is one of the OFers, Westburg and something like Beavers and McDermott/Povich. That is in line with the reported ask from Getz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Good for him. Shouldn’t settle for less than that at this point. Pressure is on Baltimore, not the Sox. Disagree. They can sign some cheap pitching and mash their way to the playoffs. The Sox are going nowhere with Sox and really need the return 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Disagree. They can sign some cheap pitching and mash their way to the playoffs. The Sox are going nowhere with Sox and really need the return They can sign cheap pitching and get eliminated in the ALDS again. That would be a failure for them at this point. They need power arms who they can be comfortable putting out there in a playoff series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 That trade just improves the White Sox on the margins. No true difference makers there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: They can sign cheap pitching and get eliminated in the ALDS again. That would be a failure for them at this point. They need power arms who they can be comfortable putting out there in a playoff series. Or they can get in and win it all because the playoffs are a total crapshoot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That trade just improves the White Sox on the margins. No true difference makers there. Exactly. Oh great, we went from a 101 loss team to a 95 loss team in 2024 and 2025. Is Westburg really that big of an upgrade over Nicky López? Probably not honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Or they can get in and win it all because the playoffs are a total crapshoot Yeah they are not winning anything with that pitching staff as it is currently constructed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I hope the O's are at least buying Heyman a steak dinner boom for all the work he's doing for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 19 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Disagree. They can sign some cheap pitching and mash their way to the playoffs. The Sox are going nowhere with Sox and really need the return Cool, let them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Exactly. Oh great, we went from a 101 loss team to a 95 loss team in 2024 and 2025. Is Westburg really that big of an upgrade over Nicky López? Probably not honestly. He would be yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Rey21 said: He would be yes 3 WAR player vs 1.5-2 WAR player in López this year and next maybe? That’s not a real difference maker for a 101 loss team that just lost their best SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 31 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Disagree. They can sign some cheap pitching and mash their way to the playoffs. The Sox are going nowhere with Sox and really need the return What do you think orioles would accept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Yeah they are not winning anything with that pitching staff as it is currently constructed. Yeah I have them outside the playoffs right now. They had a lot of career year guys last year. (Bradish, cano, ohearn, Mateo). They’re relying a lot on no regression and that all the youngsters hit 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: What do you think orioles would accept? Not enough for Chris Getz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 13 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yeah I have them outside the playoffs right now. They had a lot of career year guys last year. (Bradish, cano, ohearn, Mateo). They’re relying a lot on no regression and that all the youngsters hit Not to mention the loss of Bautista. Someone else mentioned that the Orioles remind them of the 2020-2021 Sox and I agree completely. Relying way too much on who they already have and are too reluctant to make significant external additions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yeah I have them outside the playoffs right now. They had a lot of career year guys last year. (Bradish, cano, ohearn, Mateo). They’re relying a lot on no regression and that all the youngsters hit FWIW, the Yankees haven’t been done yet, but as far as I can tell ZiPS has them at 92 wins and best in the AL so far on their projections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Not to mention the loss of Bautista. Someone else mentioned that the Orioles remind them of the 2020-2021 Sox and I agree completely. Relying way too much on who they already have and are too reluctant to make significant external additions. This doesn’t remind me at all of those white Sox. Adding Grandal, Keuchel, Lynn, Kimbrel, among others. They had a very different problem, they blew all of the assets they had -limited trade assets and only so mu ch money to spend - on high risk guys late in their careers who consistently imploded. The Os are at least being cautious about their assets, they aren’t being aggressive but they aren’t risking what they have on all in / doomed if it doesn’t work this year bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Disagree. They can sign some cheap pitching and mash their way to the playoffs. The Sox are going nowhere with Sox and really need the return This is the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Or they can get in and win it all because the playoffs are a total crapshoot If Rodriguez actually pitches as he was projected to...in the post-season. For the time being, Eury Perez is the more impressive pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: This doesn’t remind me at all of those white Sox. Adding Grandal, Keuchel, Lynn, Kimbrel, among others. They had a very different problem, they blew all of the assets they had -limited trade assets and only so mu ch money to spend - on high risk guys late in their careers who consistently imploded. The Os are at least being cautious about their assets, they aren’t being aggressive but they aren’t risking what they have on all in / doomed if it doesn’t work this year bets. Ironically, Kimbrel the only all-in move, and that's limited risk. The further irony is that most O's are trying to clear out the outfield veterans along with 1B/DH/util...but they're not taking into consideration all the growing pains associated with younger hitters. At least they have the concept of "getting younger/cheaper" and 2nd/3rd waves down right. The White Sox rebuild ran into a brick wall with the Burger Crochet Vaughn setbacks. Also, assuming with this next wave that they are all ready to contribute like Rutschman and Henderson is a fool's errand...that the bullpen will repeat over-performances from year to year, that the breaks will continue to go their way in such a talented division. Everyone thought the Blue Jays were going to be dominating this division 2-3 years ago...and they've been "pretty good" but hardly the dynasty that was projected with Vladdy not quite the superstar, nor Bichette/Biggio to lesser degrees (to the point they might be shopping Bichette fairly actively). Then you have the White Sox style "fading veteran" in George Springer with the TOR version of a Benintendi deal. And this befuddling set of off-season moves. The White Sox and Padres have both learned about all the things that can go wrong will go wrong. Edited January 19 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Exactly. Oh great, we went from a 101 loss team to a 95 loss team in 2024 and 2025. Is Westburg really that big of an upgrade over Nicky López? Probably not honestly. Is this a serious post? I agree with your first sentence but Lopez is a pathetic and embarrassing starting infielder for any major league team, just like DeJong. Both were backup infielders last year and DeJong was cut by two teams. No other team in baseball would be planning to start one of these bums on opening day, much less both of them. To compare Westburg to Lopez is pretty far out there. Westburg will improve. Lopez is what he is, a slappy no bat infielder with a good glove, and as he gets older his glove will disappear. Edited January 19 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Is this a serious post? I agree with your first sentence but Lopez is a pathetic and embarrassing starting infielder for any major league team, just like DeJong, so of course they are both starting for the Sox. No other team in baseball would be starting these two bums. Maybe the 2014-15 Royals...where did all these ideas come from, anyway??? Omar Infante had the most at-bats at 2B, with Alcides Escobar at SS. You had Zobrist as a "mix and match" all over the diamond glue guy. Noted top pick/bust Christian Colon as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Maybe the 2014-15 Royals...where did all these ideas come from, anyway??? Omar Infante had the most at-bats at 2B, with Alcides Escobar at SS. You had Zobrist as a "mix and match" all over the diamond glue guy. Noted top pick/bust Christian Colon as well. I was thinking 2016 Sox double play combination of Jimmy Rollins in his last season before retirement and the “never was” Brett Lawrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I hope the O's are at least buying Heyman a steak dinner boom for all the work he's doing for them. i kinda felt the opposite, like the Sox are the ones messaging through all these writers saying no-trade-likely. thats the last threat left-- that we'd take cease into the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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