SoCalChiSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Hjerstad, Ortiz and DL Hall is 47m in SV whereas Cease is 40m in SV, so it wouldn't be an unreasonable ask in this market. That's fairly similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 You have to aim for Kjerstad if you're talking to Baltimore. He fills an immediate need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I was told the ask from BAL is still Cowser, Norby +...but as of this morning Elias is balking just like at last year's deadline. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 1:52 AM, macsandz said: I was told the ask from BAL is still Cowser, Norby +...but as of this morning Elias is balking just like at last year's deadline. Expand Appreciate your insight. I'm personally hoping it's Baltimore because they can most afford to overpay with prospects because of their wealth of high-end ones, plus they gain ANOTHER 1st RD pick next June thanks to Henderson winning ROTY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 1:52 AM, macsandz said: I was told the ask from BAL is still Cowser, Norby +...but as of this morning Elias is balking just like at last year's deadline. Expand Interesting. I had a strong feeling Getz wanted Cowser because he also adds athleticism and defense to go along with his LH bat (and if Robert is traded later he could slide into CF) so he checks alot of boxes. Perhaps given Jimmy's report, Chicago has come off Cowser and agreed to accept Hjerstad instead, but maybe Getz will want to make up for that on the backend with higher quality 3rd and 4th pieces. Interesting that they don't want Ortiz even though consensus in the scouting community appears to be Montgomery will have to slide to 3B. Norby would be a good 2B. Thanks for the info.....much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I don’t think they’re getting Cowser. If they keep insisting on that, it’ll probably be a different team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Coby Mayo needs to be a part of any Orioles deal imo. He’s going to be the jewel of a deal even if he’s labeled as a 2nd part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:18 AM, Soxnfins said: Coby Mayo needs to be a part of any Orioles deal imo. He’s going to be the jewel of a deal even if he’s labeled as a 2nd part. Expand Coby Mayo would be the first part. Dude is ranked 27 overall on MLB’s Top 100. You probably aren’t getting him and one of their other higher guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I get that teams love their top prospects but you gotta give to get. There shouldn't be 3 "untouchables" in the Orioles farm system for 2 years of a Cy Young caliber pitcher. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 2:24 AM, Bob Sacamano said: Coby Mayo would be the first part. Dude is ranked 27 overall on MLB’s Top 100. You probably aren’t getting him and one of their other higher guys. Expand Everyone seems to favor Kjerstad over him, which is why I labeled that he’d be a second part. I don’t understand the Kjerstad love, but that’s just me. Edited November 30, 2023 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:15 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think they’re getting Cowser. If they keep insisting on that, it’ll probably be a different team. Expand Not that the Orioles would be lowballing the Sox, but they or any other team shouldn’t be expected to be putting their best offers on the table before Spring Training. If the Sox are impatient and insist on getting a deal done even before winter meetings, weakness is apparent, no doubt there is blood in the water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:15 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think they’re getting Cowser. If they keep insisting on that, it’ll probably be a different team. Expand I was under the impression that Cowser’s stock was down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:27 AM, Southwest Sider said: I get that teams love their top prospects but you gotta give to get. There shouldn't be 3 "untouchables" in the Orioles farm system for 2 years of a Cy Young caliber pitcher. Expand AMEN!! Well stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 1:52 AM, macsandz said: I was told the ask from BAL is still Cowser, Norby +...but as of this morning Elias is balking just like at last year's deadline. Expand Understandably so. GMs like Hazen didn't get where they are by trading away their best prospects. Of course also where his is 0-3 and outclassed the playoffs; hopefully, he cracks. If anyone does, it's likely Baltimore (or us). Other GMs would give-in; of course, that's a reason their teams suck and aren't in the market for Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:47 AM, GreenSox said: Understandably so. GMs like Hazen didn't get where they are by trading away their best prospects. Of course also where his is 0-3 and outclassed the playoffs; hopefully, he cracks. If anyone does, it's likely Baltimore (or us). Other GMs would give-in; of course, that's a reason their teams suck and aren't in the market for Cease. Expand As other pitchers come off the board, the pressure on BAL will increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I'm a bit worried about the Kjerstad vs Cowser thing being the next Moncada vs Devers thing and the Sox ending up with the wrong highly and similarly ranked top prospect from a team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:50 AM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I'm a bit worried about the Kjerstad vs Cowser thing being the next Moncada vs Devers thing and the Sox ending up with the wrong highly and similarly ranked top prospect from a team. Expand The Sox probably think they can scout by reading scouting publications and using their typical evaluation process to subsist, rather than investing in quality to their own scouting department. Whatever the Sox know, other teams know more. Yeah yeah, I know the Sox might have paid lip service to some sort of change in MO. Whatever it is, Jerry Reinsdorf won’t let it be anything but substandard. The Sox are now going to stop letting other teams poach their own talent, and smoke the Sox in prospect trades all of the sudden, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:32 AM, fathom said: I was under the impression that Cowser’s stock was down Expand Why would his stock be down? I think I’d prefer Kjerstad anyway. Cowser’s value comes as a CF imo and he won’t be playing it in Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:50 AM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I'm a bit worried about the Kjerstad vs Cowser thing being the next Moncada vs Devers thing and the Sox ending up with the wrong highly and similarly ranked top prospect from a team. Expand Leery of Kjerstad. Ks a lot, doesn't walk enough, chases. Not headliner material, to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 2:50 AM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I'm a bit worried about the Kjerstad vs Cowser thing being the next Moncada vs Devers thing and the Sox ending up with the wrong highly and similarly ranked top prospect from a team. Expand But which one is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 3:08 AM, GreenSox said: Leery of Kjerstad. Ks a lot, doesn't walk enough, chases. Not headliner material, to me. Expand The relatively bad year Cease had may mean something, may not. But it definitely will cause other teams to hold onto their most elite prospects for him. We will be getting the less brighter. And I say again, if the Sox are truly rushing this process, they are degrading the ultimate returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 1:11 AM, Romeo_Santiago81 said: With the Orioles, the conversation has to start with Mayo and Basallo, would love Holliday but I am sure Baltimore ain't moving him, but if they do not start with Basallo and Mayo, move on!0 Expand All the first base prospects! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 3:08 AM, GreenSox said: Leery of Kjerstad. Ks a lot, doesn't walk enough, chases. Not headliner material, to me. Expand He improved his K rate, which was perfectly fine already in 2023, from 26% in 2022 to just under 21%. I'd take that from most of the guys on our current roster. Not sure I agree with the K rate discussion. As for walks, he is around 10%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 3:18 AM, Capn12 said: He improved his K rate, which was perfectly fine already in 2023, from 26% in 2022 to just under 21%. I'd take that from most of the guys on our current roster. Not sure I agree with the K rate discussion. As for walks, he is around 10%. Expand Well, that's why we're in this position Those are okay Major League K and walk rates. But he earned those in the minors. Edited November 30, 2023 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I was all over Kjerstad but watching his swing reminds me of Zack Collins, brings back bad memories. I really want Mayo now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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