PaleAleSox Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Nah. I just thought it was hilarious how wrong you guys were and it entertains me to see you all twist yourself into a pretzel as to why this deal is so good even though 2 months ago you would have whined like a baby if it was suggested to you this would be the deal. All the s%*# you guys talked…you deserve it to be thrown back in your faces, just as we would have deserved it if you got the bigger deal you felt you would get. Making me hope the Yankees destroy the O’s this year. Good job. 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, WhiteSox2023 said: Shouldn’t you be more worried about your team’s injuries and your new starter acquisition looking like a tee ball stand this spring? BUT SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Don’t worry, Preller would never hide an injury 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, Jake said: Bold statement I know, but chances are the Sox are projecting some of the players involved differently than we are. That doesn’t give me any extra confidence when it’s a team that is happy to trot out there over the hill veterans who only play defense and prioritize adding a bunch of slap hitters all throughout their lineup. We shall see though…. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: No, but I thought that the goal was to turn this around as quickly as possible. Which is probably the wrong approach. We still wouldn’t have a foundation to supplement an improved roster and we’d end up right back where we are now. The dopes in charge still haven’t learned that quick fixes don’t work and banking on everything going right never does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: How many times were Kenny and Hahn wrong before they were fired? JR has made countless dumb decisions but he isn’t going to fire himself. If Grifol is still the Sox manager, I’m sure Getz has many years to prove himself, or his failure. There's my problem. They are absolutely going all in on "we can develop all these guys into way more than they're worth right now". If 2 years from now they were wrong, this team looks like the 2020 Royals, 4th place, not all that good, and future 5th place finished coming, but likely with the same guys leading the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, fathom said: Don’t worry, Preller would never hide an injury Yeah I fully expect TJS shortly and Preller laughing at us. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Nah. I just thought it was hilarious how wrong you guys were and it entertains me to see you all twist yourself into a pretzel as to why this deal is so good even though 2 months ago you would have whined like a baby if it was suggested to you this would be the deal. All the s%*# you guys talked…you deserve it to be thrown back in your faces, just as we would have deserved it if you got the bigger deal you felt you would get. What a fucking loser lol 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 14 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: No, but I thought that the goal was to turn this around as quickly as possible. This would be the absolute worst way to treat this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) NM Edited March 14 by Chick Mercedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: This is more an expression of their inability to find the kind of elite guys they gathered up during the last rebuild than it is a strong supporting statement for these guys. Perhaps this works better, but this statement illustrates how they are trying to rebuild based on depth alone. It's at least different from Hahn, but not obviously better? And elite numbers without elite velocity is a harder thing to say will translate. Sometimes it's Buehrle, often it isn't. I don't think people grasp just how elite a 18.6% swing string rate (and 21% in AA) is. This isn't Buehrle (7% career swinging strike), this is the kind of number you see with elite closers that focus on getting 3 outs. That on it's own would be impressive but the kid actually throws strikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Nah. I just thought it was hilarious how wrong you guys were and it entertains me to see you all twist yourself into a pretzel as to why this deal is so good even though 2 months ago you would have whined like a baby if it was suggested to you this would be the deal. All the s%*# you guys talked…you deserve it to be thrown back in your faces, just as we would have deserved it if you got the bigger deal you felt you would get. Dude, shut the f*** up 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Does it give any of you pause that you have to rely on your development system in a big way for this deal to pay off? when did we get a development system!? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This would be the absolute worst way to treat this. I agree, but I guess even though Ortiz/Hall are MLB ready, I feel that both those guys have higher upside than either of the pitchers they got in this deal, and they could get a similar prospect to Zavala at the 34th pick, and they could even go for a HS position player there if they wanted to. Idk, I feel like the floor and ceiling are way higher for Hall/Ortiz than Thorpe/Iriarte Edited March 14 by baseball_gal_aly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, mac9001 said: I don't think people grasp just how elite a 18.6% swing string rate (and 21% in AA) is. This isn't Buehrle (7% career swinging strike), this is the kind of number you see with elite closers that focus on getting 3 outs. That on it's own would be impressive but the kid actually throws strikes. what's been his P/AB? does he get a lot of 3-2 counts, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Quin said: Dude, shut the f*** up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Nah. I just thought it was hilarious how wrong you guys were and it entertains me to see you all twist yourself into a pretzel as to why this deal is so good even though 2 months ago you would have whined like a baby if it was suggested to you this would be the deal. All the s%*# you guys talked…you deserve it to be thrown back in your faces, just as we would have deserved it if you got the bigger deal you felt you would get. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 17 minutes ago, T R U said: I love this trade. Thorpe is good, they don’t trade for Iriarte if they view him as a reliever so they like something there and that’s an electric arm. Zavala, I think that dude will get into the top 100 here in the future. Slam dunk to me for 2 years of Cease coming off a down year compared to 2022. This is far better than the crap floated around earlier and what Burnes went for. Easy. People are underestimating the Bannister angle here. They scouted this farm extensively and chose these guys. People look at Thorpe and worry about his subpar fastball instead of seeing it as an obvious area of opportunity. His floor is already high, but with even a little improvement with the fastball and the kid could be special. Iriarte is a high ceiling arm with helium and at 22 years of age there is plenty of time for Bannister to help him harness his stuff a bit. If that doesn’t ultimately happen, he probably ends up a valuable back-end reliever. As for Zavala, Law had him as a top 100 prospect a year ago and he just put up a 140 wRC+ offensive season in A ball as an 18 year old. Law said he dropped him off the list due to some unfavorable reports and it sounds like there are some work ethic questions at play. But Law also doesn’t deny the talent (or the quality of the results) and there is a pretty high ceiling, even if a corner profile. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 38 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Who would rather have Duran Porter Leiter? It's not like Texas was going to deal one of their two most coveted Young outfielders unless Cease was leading the AL Cy Young race at the halfway mark of the season...maybe not even then for Langford. I 100% prefer this trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Thanks, Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: We got a SP ranked in the 60’s, another SP ranked in the 90 to 120 range, and a kid that is likely in the 100 to 150 range. That’s way more than those two were expecting no matter how much they want to spin this. I wouldn’t use the word “steep” to describe it, but I think it’s a roughly fair return and much more than what we would have gotten if opposing GMs valued him as the 2023 version. Maybe in the coming weeks, we'll get a taste of what the Giants and Yankees were offering, if at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 35 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t trust the Sox when it comes to evaluating if a pitcher can be a starter Industry said the guy they just traded was bound for the bullpen so even they get lucky on these gambles on occasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, thedoctor said: i think that was a huge load of bs jerry sold to explain a gm hire no one else would have made. Exactly, and if anyone actually bought what Jerry was selling in that media conference to announce Getz as the new GM, they need to have their head checked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, joejoesox said: when did we get a development system!? About 6+ years after they leave the Royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 36 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t trust the Sox when it comes to evaluating if a pitcher can be a starter Do you trust Bannister though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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