WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: What are you taking about? DL Hall has a 7.71 ERA. He’s worse than Chris Flexen and it’s not even close tbh. You must not have read my previous posts. I said I was never a fan of Hall. The Orioles hyped up a mediocre reliever as a potential starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, WhiteSox2023 said: You must not have read my previous posts. I said I was never a fan of Hall. The Orioles hyped up a mediocre reliever as a potential starter. What Orioles castaways are you talking about then? Ortiz and Hall were the only ones sent in that deal. So one is a decent utility player and one is a terrible long reliever. And you’re impressed with how well their castaways are doing. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: What Orioles castaways are you talking about then? Ortiz and Hall were the only ones sent in that deal. So one is a decent utility player and one is a terrible long reliever. And you’re impressed with how well their castaways are doing. What am I missing? Sorry, I should have said Orioles prospects. I never liked Hall. I guess they were smart afterall to never offer Getz Cowser for Cease. Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Sorry, I should have said Orioles prospects. I never liked Hall. As for me, I’m surprised by how god awful Jackson Holliday has been. I thought this guy was a shoe in for AL ROTY? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Sorry, I should have said Orioles prospects. I never liked Hall. I guess they were smart afterall to never offer Getz Cowser for Cease. Yeah, the GM played that beautifully honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Sorry, I should have said Orioles prospects. I never liked Hall. I guess they were smart afterall to never offer Getz Cowser for Cease. Meh, Cowser is coming back down to earth in a hurry after a ridiculous start to the season. Let’s see where he’s at in a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: As for me, I’m surprised by how god awful Jackson Holliday has been. I thought this guy was a shoe in for AL ROTY? 2 hits in 34 at bats. Was it Robin Ventura who had a terrible start to his rookie season? But he is only 20. I’m sure he will pan out eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: 2 hits in 34 at bats. Was it Robin Ventura who had a terrible start to his rookie season? But he is only 20. I’m sure he will pan out eventually. Point is, Orioles (and MLB’s) top prospect didn’t look good in his first mlb stint so not ALL orioles prospects are looking good this season. You choose to focus on the positives for other teams and disregard the negatives. For the Sox, you choose to only focus on the negatives and disregard the positives. I guess that’s your schtick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 22 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: He’s a cheap controllable reliever with a career ERA in the mid 3’s. He stays healthy and continues this level of production for two months he’ll return a 45 FV prospect. Not bad for a 4th piece in the Cease trade no? I can't wait for Jorbit Vivas or Javier Vaz to join the org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Point is, Orioles (and MLB’s) top prospect didn’t look good in his first mlb stint so not ALL orioles prospects are looking good this season. You choose to focus on the positives for other teams and disregard the negatives. For the Sox, you choose to only focus on the negatives and disregard the positives. I guess that’s your schtick. Okay, what are the positives that I have missed for the Sox? Wilson has looked good. I did like his inclusion in the Cease trade from the start. I didn’t think Fedde would have been as good as he has so far. Not sure who else I have missed. Sheets had a hot start but is cratering as fast as you say Cowser is. Sorry, not a Sheets believer. Not buying him being good at all. The negatives have outweighed the positives for the Sox. Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Okay, what are the positives that I have missed for the Sox? Wilson has looked good. I did like his inclusion in the Cease trade from the start. I didn’t think Fedde would have been as good as he has so far. Not sure who else I have missed. The negatives have outweighed the positives for the Sox. Specific to this trade, have you said anything positive about Thorpe or Iriarte? If I remember correctly, you were railing on Thorpe after his one bad spring training start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, Quin said: I can't wait for Jorbit Vivas or Javier Vaz to join the org. Or Tatis Jr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Specific to this trade, have you said anything positive about Thorpe or Iriarte? If I remember correctly, you were railing on Thorpe after his one bad spring training start. I thought we were talking about the big league team here. Thorpe’s awful start was a bit ironically humorous because he was great all ST and everyone was expecting him to make the opening day roster and then he got absolutely lit up by the Guardians. But no, that one ST start didn’t make me think he was a bust prospect or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 53 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Or Tatis Jr. Sure, I'll trust the guy who couldn't develop LatAm signings outside of a $52M signing in Luis Robert, Oscar Colas (expensive signing with NPB experience that he now hates), Lenyn Sosa (now doghoused), and hopefully Bryan Ramos to find a Tatis Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 34 minutes ago, Quin said: Sure, I'll trust the guy who couldn't develop LatAm signings outside of a $52M signing in Luis Robert, Oscar Colas (expensive signing with NPB experience that he now hates), Lenyn Sosa (now doghoused), and hopefully Bryan Ramos to find a Tatis Jr. I mean if we’re going to be dramatic about all this then I will too. Bound to get lucky eventually if they trade their vets in two months for half a dozen 40/45 FV prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I miss articles like these… and thought you may too: https://pitcherlist.com/dylan-cease-throws-the-most-ridiculous-pitch-in-baseball/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 15 minutes ago, hi8is said: I miss articles like these… and thought you may too: https://pitcherlist.com/dylan-cease-throws-the-most-ridiculous-pitch-in-baseball/ ....a 30+ mph difference in pitches....is just insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 16 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said: ....a 30+ mph difference in pitches....is just insane Super cool. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I hate that the ineptitude of this franchise, being unable to win ballgames, made us trade away Cease. Such a likeable guy with Cy young talent, could have had his jersey retired here. Just a shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 10 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: I hate that the ineptitude of this franchise, being unable to win ballgames, made us trade away Cease. Such a likeable guy with Cy young talent, could have had his jersey retired here. Just a shame. Blame ownership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Blame ownership. Yep, regardless of if the Sox were winning games right now or being the very historically terrible team they are right now, Cease was never going to be resigned because of one man, Jerry Reinsdorf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 16 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: I hate that the ineptitude of this franchise, being unable to win ballgames, made us trade away Cease. Such a likeable guy with Cy young talent, could have had his jersey retired here. Just a shame. As I said I wouldn't be interested in extending Kopech or Crochet, I will say I would have backed up the truck for Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) On 5/9/2024 at 5:28 PM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I mean if we’re going to be dramatic about all this then I will too. Bound to get lucky eventually if they trade their vets in two months for half a dozen 40/45 FV prospects. Getz did a good job with signing Fedde. I still don’t think he will get a top 100 prospect for him though. Kopech will return an interesting prospect as well. Pham may bring back an interesting prospect, but signing Pham is the equivalent of Hahn signing Cueto. Both Hahn and Getz lucked into some good performances by signing the best available players after the season already started. I don’t see anyone else bringing back anything of note. But I doubt any of the guys they bring back in these trades are going to be the world beaters that this team needs to actually improve into a contender. This team has almost zero position players outside of maybe Ramos, Montgomery, Lee, and Quero. Edited May 24 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: As I said I wouldn't be interested in extending Kopech or Crochet, I will say I would have backed up the truck for Cease. Weird. I wouldn't pay Cease at all. He's not the type of arm I would pay. He just doesn't get deep enough into baseball games. It doesn't mean he's not good, but he's just not the type of arm I'd pay. Crochet is incredibly efficient with his pitches, and he's got a great build. I would pay Crochet well before Cease if I was going to bet on one or the other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 43 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Weird. I wouldn't pay Cease at all. He's not the type of arm I would pay. He just doesn't get deep enough into baseball games. It doesn't mean he's not good, but he's just not the type of arm I'd pay. Crochet is incredibly efficient with his pitches, and he's got a great build. I would pay Crochet well before Cease if I was going to bet on one or the other. The big thing is Cease doesn't miss appearances. He's there every five days. Three straight years of 30 plus starts in his 1st three seasons. Even his seemingly league average season last year was largely drive by a terrible defense which stuck him with almost an extra run per game over expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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