Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Jim Callis was on an Orioles podcast and he told them that Crochet would likely cost one of Cowser/Kjerstad and one of Basallo/Mayo. It’s not happening. Mike Elias will try and use Connor Norby and Dylan Beavers. Just let Baltimore acquire Flaherty again. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Jim Callis was on an Orioles podcast and he told them that Crochet would likely cost one of Cowser/Kjerstad and one of Basallo/Mayo. It’s not happening. Mike Elias will try and use Connor Norby and Dylan Beavers. Just let Baltimore acquire Flaherty again. I would die a happy dance for that deal Kjerstad and Mayo please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Jim Callis was on an Orioles podcast and he told them that Crochet would likely cost one of Cowser/Kjerstad and one of Basallo/Mayo. It’s not happening. Mike Elias will try and use Connor Norby and Dylan Beavers. Just let Baltimore acquire Flaherty again. I think a better question for the Orioles is “What would it take to get Fedde?” More in their price range. Or, if I am being snarky, “What would it take to get Pam and Flexen?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 8 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I think a better question for the Orioles is “What would it take to get Fedde?” More in their price range. Or, if I am being snarky, “What would it take to get Pam and Flexen?” Norby + Beavers seems like a fair deal for Fedde + Kopech 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 26 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Jim Callis was on an Orioles podcast and he told them that Crochet would likely cost one of Cowser/Kjerstad and one of Basallo/Mayo. It’s not happening. Mike Elias will try and use Connor Norby and Dylan Beavers. Just let Baltimore acquire Flaherty again. Yeah I don't think the Sox do a deal for Crochet without getting a top 10 position player back to start. They have to start with one of Holliday/Basallo/Mayo, and then probably 2 more in their 5-10 range, like Norby and Beavers, and something else to finish it off. If Robert is in the deal, you need to add another guy at that top level, another guy in the 5-10, plus some other lower range guy. Maybe the middle range guys are more negotiable for some volume in the back end to help Baltimore fix their coming 40 man crunch, but I don't see the Sox being willing to take a discount on Robert + Crochet when they could spin them both to single teams for a higher price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Welcome back, @Rolle Tide. Always interesting to hear another perspective (when it’s not SportsGuy). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Crochet would cost Gunnar Henderson and Rutschman as a starting point. Crochet is greatest player of all time and all Baltimore players are garbage. Also blue crabs are ass. Baltimore sucks. 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, ron883 said: Well well, the Baltimore scum hath return And the biggest surprise yet, more talk about how Sox players should be acquired by Baltimore for a pittance. ? And it’s all a waste of time discussing it because just like the Cease deal that didn’t happen, Elias isn’t going to pay up for Cease or Robert, and probably not even Fedde. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulfly Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, bmags said: Crochet would cost Gunnar Henderson and Rutschman as a starting point. Crochet is greatest player of all time and all Baltimore players are garbage. Also blue crabs are ass. Baltimore sucks. The last time I was in Baltimore I saw two bums at the same time taking a s%*# in one of the fountains near the inner harbor. It does suck. But I'm sure that happens all over Chicago too, I just never witnessed it despite being here far more than I ever was in Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, soulfly said: The last time I was in Baltimore I saw two bums at the same time taking a s%*# in one of the fountains near the inner harbor. It does suck. But I'm sure that happens all over Chicago too, I just never witnessed it despite being here far more than I ever was in Baltimore. Those aren’t fountains, they are extra large bidets for public use. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Sox72 said: Welcome back, @Rolle Tide. Always interesting to hear another perspective (when it’s not SportsGuy). Oh… I was mixing these two up apparently. My apologies, Rollie and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Actually, upon further review, it looks like our pal Rollie is on The Hall of Fame List. However, after reading through his recent activity since returning, the powers that be have decided to remove him from this distinction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 15 hours ago, Rolle Tide said: Wondering If you guys are happy with the return for Cease after the fact? Do you think you did better than Joey Ortiz and DL Hall? Ortiz is currently at 2.1 WAR. I am ,always have been. But there are plenty here who are not. Time will tell so it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks. Trades always fluctuate in value after the fact. 5 more years we'll see how it looks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 42 minutes ago, soulfly said: The last time I was in Baltimore I saw two bums at the same time taking a s%*# in one of the fountains near the inner harbor. It does suck. But I'm sure that happens all over Chicago too, I just never witnessed it despite being here far more than I ever was in Baltimore. We s%*# in the streets like men 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 48 minutes ago, soulfly said: The last time I was in Baltimore I saw two bums at the same time taking a s%*# in one of the fountains near the inner harbor. It does suck. But I'm sure that happens all over Chicago too, I just never witnessed it despite being here far more than I ever was in Baltimore. I can assure you, it definitely happens in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep, I thought so. And it’s still as dumb as when you initially posted it. And now you are doubling down on your stupid post. That’s really not how to assess a trade. Getz just wasted $24 million this past offseason on a bunch of dumpster diving veteran junk and you think that’s too much to pay for Tatis Jr. I have to ask because you never answer it because it's easy to say he wasted money on crap when you're not the one working for JR and still have to spend something to fill positions while likely ordered to spend minimal amounts while payroll was being slashed to ribbons. Players aren't free. So the questions are what was he supposed to do and why do you keep hammering that point about wasteful spending ? Earlier in another post you said recently something about signing cheap guys who had a better chance of being flipped but those guys likely cost $10M or more per year and they're only slightly more likely to return any value. It's basically luck when youre signing guys to minor league or under $5M contracts or $10M If you're signing $10M guys you get less players You could spend $3-4 for 3 players and any of them could get you just as much at the deadline as your $10M signing. Spent $15M on Fedde for 2 years .When he traded the other team likely pays around$10M of that and he should bring back at least one very solid prospect and perhaps 2. That signing will return great value .If Flexen Soroka, Pham, DeJong,Lopez, Brebbia,Wilson get traded you're getting dividends on the Cease and Bummer trades plus teams eat money on the contracts and give us prospects back on any dumpster dives that end up traded. Thats more than we can say about Benintendi ,Moncada and Eloy who were much higher costing signings that the Sox will likely get nothing for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 32 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I have to ask because you never answer it because it's easy to say he wasted money on crap when you're not the one working for JR and still have to spend something to fill positions while likely ordered to spend minimal amounts while payroll was being slashed to ribbons. Players aren't free. So the questions are what was he supposed to do and why do you keep hammering that point about wasteful spending ? Earlier in another post you said recently something about signing cheap guys who had a better chance of being flipped but those guys likely cost $10M or more per year and they're only slightly more likely to return any value. It's basically luck when youre signing guys to minor league or under $5M contracts or $10M If you're signing $10M guys you get less players You could spend $3-4 for 3 players and any of them could get you just as much at the deadline as your $10M signing. Spent $15M on Fedde for 2 years .When he traded the other team likely pays around$10M of that and he should bring back at least one very solid prospect and perhaps 2. That signing will return great value .If Flexen Soroka, Pham, DeJong,Lopez, Brebbia,Wilson get traded you're getting dividends on the Cease and Bummer trades plus teams eat money on the contracts and give us prospects back on any dumpster dives that end up traded. Thats more than we can say about Benintendi ,Moncada and Eloy who were much higher costing signings that the Sox will likely get nothing for. Yeah, the whole plan, all along, was get a bunch of broken toys, fix all of them, then see if anybody wants them. The end. Why pay $15m to gamble on fixing and flipping one player when you can pay 5 guys $3m each, and gamble on more than one of them hitting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) I agree that you have to sign some of the guys you added to fill a roster and to possibly flip but Maldonado and Hill are guys I wouldn’t have even looked at. No risk no reward. No upside. Edited July 6 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 27 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I agree that you have to sign some of the guys you added to fill a roster and to possibly flip but Maldonado and Hill are guys I wouldn’t have even looked at. No risk no reward. No upside. I just smh when it comes to Maldonado. Especially that story about him needing glasses. I'm actually shocked when I see something like that. Your vision is perhaps a highly overlooked but essential component to catching and especially hitting a baseball and playing in the hot sun with glare and heat drying out you eyes. You'd think no matter what you age is you'd have your eyes checked at least once a year. Hell in ST I'd have an eye exam day if I was an owner . I wonder how many teams actually have an Optometrist on their medical staff . Bring 5 skilled eye specialists in over a week and check everyone out and make it mandatory. I'd have gallons of good eye wash products available and recommend using it every day. I'd still like to think Maldonado played some role in the mostly pretty good results from some guys but it's more likely Bannister and the pitching lab. Not sure if Maldy is part of that. You'd think a veteran catcher would have a voice in that. In the end probably wasn't worth his contract but neither can I ignore how Dusty Baker raved about him but all metrics offensively and we're not good. Maybe $2M would've got him or even a MiLB contract. Not really anything to get upset about. All teams take flyers on guys a lot more expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I would need Holliday back for Flexen, but even then I have concerns about how overrated the Baltimore farm system is. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 hours ago, Timmy U said: I think a better question for the Orioles is “What would it take to get Fedde?” More in their price range. Or, if I am being snarky, “What would it take to get Pam and Flexen?” Yeah I’ve always thought Fedde was more realistic for them the way Elias hoards prospects. Would guess he costs something like Norby and maybe a guy like Beavers or Johnson? Idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 6 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Jim Callis was on an Orioles podcast and he told them that Crochet would likely cost one of Cowser/Kjerstad and one of Basallo/Mayo. It’s not happening. Mike Elias will try and use Connor Norby and Dylan Beavers. Just let Baltimore acquire Flaherty again. Just like he did Joey Ortiz who was an old bust …right. Callis is on dope! You are two if you th8n’ your getting 2 of them for Crochet, Thankfully Elias isn’t that stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I am ,always have been. But there are plenty here who are not. Time will tell so it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks. Trades always fluctuate in value after the fact. 5 more years we'll see how it looks. That’s cool …. I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t be. They’ve hit on Thorpe …. Don’t really care about the RP. If they hit on one of the young guys the trade is a big win. I only asked as Ortiz was a popular point of discussion and old and pretty much thought of as trash here. And he’s on track to be a 3-4 WAR player in his rookie season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 hours ago, Sox72 said: Welcome back, @Rolle Tide. Always interesting to hear another perspective (when it’s not SportsGuy). Thanks …. I’m just trying to be objective. I expect to take some heat as a visiting poster. Don’t really deserve to be called scum though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 11 minutes ago, Rolle Tide said: Just like he did Joey Ortiz who was an old bust …right. Callis is on dope! You are two if you th8n’ your getting 2 of them for Crochet, Thankfully Elias isn’t that stupid I think you're misunderstanding the situation. Garrett Crochet isn't the "price" for acquiring a package of prospects from Baltimore. It's the other way around. Maybe Baltimore will find another team to take a lesser package for their ace pitcher. Crochet looks like the best on the market, and a good team will be able to manage around any injury concerns. Perhaps Baltimore chews up pitchers like Billy Martin did during his time in Oakland. The evidence seems to support that, in which case, the Orioles should probably look elsewhere. They should get two or three, since with the O's track record, two won't finish the season healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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