Fielder Jones Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 8:59 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah I really don't read into Tweets too much. Some people overanalyze and overreact to every single one like there is a deep meaning when its likely piggybacking off another report and/or clickbait. Expand It's not a tweet it's a Q&A with someone who has called a ton of these transactions in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 9:04 PM, Quin said: To keep us from spinning in circles, who are some teams we'd like to see jump in if things go poorly for them at the Winter Meetings? Padres, Red Sox? Expand Rangers, Mariners, Diamondbacks. I could see the Yankees jumping in if they go buck wild all-in (with a soto move). Padres are really interesting. What's their plan? The Rangers could rival what the Orioles could offer imo. Their system is super interesting to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 9:07 PM, Fielder Jones said: It's not a tweet it's a Q&A with someone who has called a ton of these transactions in the past Expand I'm just referring to in general (in reference to "the 48 hour thing being overblown"). Edited November 30, 2023 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 9:10 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Rangers, Mariners, Diamondbacks. I could see the Yankees jumping in if they go buck wild all-in (with a soto move). Padres are really interesting. What's their plan? The Rangers could rival what the Orioles could offer imo. Their system is super interesting to me. Expand Unless the Rangers give up Carter, such a deal would kill @SoCalChiSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 9:04 PM, Quin said: To keep us from spinning in circles, who are some teams we'd like to see jump in if things go poorly for them at the Winter Meetings? Padres, Red Sox? Expand Red Sox would be great...2 of Anthony, Mayer, Teel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 8:42 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Me too, if you can get Lawler. Otherwise they can't get it to work I think. Unless you LOVE Jones. Expand I don't know about the specifics. Just that I know they have a lot of good young players, their FO lineage isn't as prospect-hoggish as others, I don't think they are quite at the LAD, TBR, AB level such that we are less likely to get their foolsgold prospects, and we've made good trades with them before. St Louis would bee fine too, as they've made mistakes trading prospects before, but I suspect that they're gun-shy and are only willing to trade out of their junk drawer, which is pretty deep in quantity. Edited November 30, 2023 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I wonder if we can package Moncada along with Cease so we can cut some payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 6:47 PM, SoCalChiSox said: That's kind of the flipside. LAD could say "you know we don't have to have Cease, we could easily sign X pitcher for just money and if we don't do a deal now we will turn our attention to that guy instead" So maybe some of this is pressure by parties who have a good offer on the table trying to convince us they will pull the deal and look elsewhere soon. BAL could not do that and CIN also could not do that because they don't spend, but the LAD could make such a credible threat. Expand That threat might not carry much weight if they sign Ohtani for $30-40M per year since he won't be pitching in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:30 PM, ron883 said: I wonder if we can package Moncada along with Cease so we can cut some payroll. Expand I feel like you're not serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:33 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That threat might not carry much weight if they sign Ohtani for $30-40M per year since he won't be pitching in 2024. Expand They could sign another veteran to a 1 year deal (or say, Giolito to a 1 year deal with player option, similar to Rodon deal) and then Ohtani would replace said veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 11:47 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Interesting. That seems like a pretty damn good package to me. What’s your beef with the trade? Expand Your headliner is a bat only 1B guy DH who now adds to the unathletic types Getz swears he wants to be rid of so now you'd have, Busch , Eloy and Vaughn. Headliner has to be able to play some defense not a slow unathletic 26yr old bat only guy who adds to the pile the Sox already have. The Dodgers would love it if he headlined a trade for Cease. His bat fails he's useless. Edited November 30, 2023 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:54 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Your headliner is a bat only 1B guy DH who now adds to the unathletic types Getz swears he wants to be rid of so now you'd have, Busch , Eloy and Vaughn. Headliner has to be able to play some defense not a slow unathletic 26yr old bat only guy who adds to the pile the Sox already have. The Dodgers would love it if headlined a trade for Cease. His bat fails he's useless. Expand Let's not get rid of Sheets so quickly. He's the cat with nine lives now that Leury is gone. (Honestly think I'd rather watch Palka or Viciedo get those at-bats. Virtually anyone in the entire org but Lee until he hits at least .230-.240 at Charlotte.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:38 PM, Bob Sacamano said: They could sign another veteran to a 1 year deal (or say, Giolito to a 1 year deal with player option, similar to Rodon deal) and then Ohtani would replace said veteran. Expand Sure they could but if they are thought to be one of the frontrunners for Cease I think they are aiming higher for 2024. Cease would fit in their budget even after signing Ohtani . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:54 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Your headliner is a bat only 1B guy DH who now adds to the unathletic types Getz swears he wants to be rid of so now you'd have, Busch , Eloy and Vaughn. Headliner has to be able to play some defense not a slow unathletic 26yr old bat only guy who adds to the pile the Sox already have. The Dodgers would love it if headlined a trade for Cease. His bat fails he's useless. Expand 26 year old bat only...sounds familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:01 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Sure they could but if they are thought to be one of the frontrunners for Cease I think they are aiming higher for 2024. Cease would fit in their budget even after signing Ohtani . Expand Someone could always go after Snell with a extremely high yearly salary but much shorter term deal...2, definitely no more than 3 or 2 plus a legit option possibility based on incentives met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 10:37 PM, Bob Sacamano said: I feel like you're not serious. Expand Don't let Jerry see my post! Packaging Moncada with Cease at the expense of prospects in return is music to his ears. Edited November 30, 2023 by ron883 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:30 PM, ron883 said: I wonder if we can package Moncada along with Cease so we can cut some payroll. Expand Maybe we can throw in our first round pick as an incentive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:03 PM, caulfield12 said: Someone could always go after Snell with a extremely high yearly salary but much shorter term deal...2, definitely no more than 3 or 2 plus a legit option possibility based on incentives met. Expand Snell will make as much AAV as he can for as long as he can. This is his shot . He won't settles for less than 5 years. No one does incentive based deals. That's a Reinsdorf special KW Manny Machado offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:08 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Snell will make as much AAV as he can for as long as he can. This is his shot . He won't settles for less than 5 years. No one does incentive based deals. That's a Reinsdorf special KW Manny Machado offer. Expand Right. Just saying from watching him quite a bit I would never invest $200+ million into him. He has a sneaky propensity for looking better on paper than he does in reality...very very streaky, like the pitching equivalent of Carlos Lee. Not even sure he's got three good years left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 If BAL doesn't want to trade Cowser they should strengthen the rest of the package. how about... Kjerstad, Norby, DL Hall and Bradfield For Cease and Santos. And I know Santos elbow could be damaged but that's a risk BAL has to take. If he's OK you got a closer on the cheap. BTV has this as an almost identical tradd in terms of SV. Who says no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 10:30 PM, ron883 said: I wonder if we can package Moncada along with Cease so we can cut some payroll. Expand Jerry hacked Ron's account lol Edited November 30, 2023 by baseball_gal_aly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:54 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Your headliner is a bat only 1B guy DH who now adds to the unathletic types Getz swears he wants to be rid of so now you'd have, Busch , Eloy and Vaughn. Headliner has to be able to play some defense not a slow unathletic 26yr old bat only guy who adds to the pile the Sox already have. The Dodgers would love it if he headlined a trade for Cease. His bat fails he's useless. Expand I don’t view it as a Busch headliner, but rather I see Busch & Sheehan as co-headliners. And along with them comes a very interesting RF prospect who if not for an injury last year could be as highly regarded as the others. IMO, this deal is only possible because Busch is a 26 year old bat oriented prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:43 PM, SoCalChiSox said: If BAL doesn't want to trade Cowser they should strengthen the rest of the package. how about... Kjerstad, Norby, DL Hall and Bradfield For Cease and Santos. And I know Santos elbow could be damaged but that's a risk BAL has to take. If he's OK you got a closer on the cheap. BTV has this as an almost identical tradd in terms of SV. Who says no? Expand Even if they took Hall out, I’d say yes to the other 3. Bradfield would be a GREAT 3rd piece 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:06 PM, ron883 said: Don't let Jerry see my post! Packaging Moncada with Cease at the expense of prospects in return is music to his ears. Expand I think you just figured out a way to cut payroll both now AND in 7 years. A visionary, you are. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 1:23 AM, JoeC said: I think you just figured out a way to cut payroll both now AND in 7 years. A visionary, you are. Expand Hire him, Jerry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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