caulfield12 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 2:29 AM, Timmy U said: Not sure Gilbert is on the market and neither Bieber nor Glasnow has Cease's value. They are both in their last year of control. And anyone who points to Cease's loss of velo ought to look at Bieber. He's lost 3+ mph over the last few years. That's without considering his arm injury at the end of the year. He's buyer beware as far as I'm concerned. Expand All depends on what CLE is asking for. Seems like the Guardians are really trying to cut payroll more dramatically. Team in flux now. Big name but very questionable health and upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 2:29 AM, Timmy U said: Not sure Gilbert is on the market and neither Bieber nor Glasnow has Cease's value. They are both in their last year of control. And anyone who points to Cease's loss of velo ought to look at Bieber. He's lost 3+ mph over the last few years. That's without considering his arm injury at the end of the year. He's buyer beware as far as I'm concerned. Expand Once the sticky stuff went away, Bieber became a shell of himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 10:37 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: 80 grade backpeddling skills. Expand If only he was as informative and reliable as you. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 5:46 AM, ron883 said: If only he was as informative and reliable as you. Expand No S*** Ron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 3:02 AM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Once the sticky stuff went away, Bieber became a shell of himself Expand I would say losing 2-3 MPH on his fastball had a much bigger impact. He was never a hard thrower but he went from throwing 93-95, to throwing 90-92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 @macsandz.....any updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 What pitcher has the most trade value on the market? It’s Dylan Cease of the Chicago White Sox. Cease, who finished second in the AL Cy Young race two years ago, still has two years of control before he’s a free agent and earned just $5.7 million last season. He’s scheduled to earn $8.8 million in salary arbitration this year, according to MLB trade rumors. There’s a reason why the Dodgers, Atlanta, St. Louis and Baltimore are all clamoring for him. The White Sox are telling teams they are in no rush to move him until the free-agent picture comes into focus. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nightengales-notebook-10-questions-heading-120356311.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 1:28 PM, caulfield12 said: What pitcher has the most trade value on the market? It’s Dylan Cease of the Chicago White Sox. Cease, who finished second in the AL Cy Young race two years ago, still has two years of control before he’s a free agent and earned just $5.7 million last season. He’s scheduled to earn $8.8 million in salary arbitration this year, according to MLB trade rumors. There’s a reason why the Dodgers, Atlanta, St. Louis and Baltimore are all clamoring for him. The White Sox are telling teams they are in no rush to move him until the free-agent picture comes into focus. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nightengales-notebook-10-questions-heading-120356311.html Expand Nightengale called the Braves the favorites for Cease in that same article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 1:57 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Nightengale called the Braves the favorites for Cease in that same article Expand A Braves trade would be very unexciting and I’d question the logic of acquiring 8 or 9 players from one org in a single off-season. Are you hearing anything about what we may be planning to do? Seems like Eloy is as a good as gone. Could that happen this week in Nashville? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:20 PM, Chicago White Sox said: A Braves trade would be very unexciting and I’d question the logic of acquiring 8 or 9 players from one org in a single off-season. Are you hearing anything about what we may be planning to do? Seems like Eloy is as a good as gone. Could that happen this week in Nashville? Expand Seems like Cease and Eloy are both gone. Juts not sure when. I don't love the idea of Atlanta either but Anthopolous is aggressive. They'll take the best package they get offered. Atlanta is publicly seen as the favorite right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek-konerko Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:26 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Seems like Cease and Eloy are both gone. Juts not sure when. I don't love the idea of Atlanta either but Anthopolous is aggressive. They'll take the best package they get offered. Atlanta is publicly seen as the favorite right now. Expand Any chance braves trade for both Eloy cease and add major leaguers in?I like more orioles and dodgers prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:26 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Seems like Cease and Eloy are both gone. Juts not sure when. I don't love the idea of Atlanta either but Anthopolous is aggressive. They'll take the best package they get offered. Atlanta is publicly seen as the favorite right now. Expand Out of curiosity, what would you need from the Braves to make such a trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:41 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Out of curiosity, what would you need from the Braves to make such a trade? Expand Too bad we can't throw in Moncada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:41 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Out of curiosity, what would you need from the Braves to make such a trade? Expand I’d need Grissom, Smith-Shawver, Waldrep and another piece 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 3:01 PM, oldsox said: Too bad we can't throw in Moncada. Expand Moncada is dead weight. He’ll be gone after 2024 regardless. Attaching him in a trade with any player of value would be malfeasance. Just let Yoan try to earn his next contract while playing good defense at 3B next season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 If AA is being aggressive, I’d have to believe the package would include Smith-Schawver , Vaughn Grissom as headliners. That would be interesting just because it is subtracting from their ML Roster depth, but they clearly want to spend on veterans and may be out on bringing along younger pieces at the moment - especially without Wash. I think this is probably underrated by the board due to Grissom’s down year in his 75 mlb games, but he is only 22 and torched AAA this year. He should get a shot to improve in the infield on the Sox, unfortunately the worst team in history at helping that along. Add to that package Didier Fuentes, who pitched in low A as a 17 year old, and Owen Murphy - because we love our local boys now- and I think that is likely to be a strong offer. Honestly reminds of the pirates-astros Cole deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 3:20 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d need Grissom, Smith-Shawver, Waldrep and another piece Expand That's a heavy offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Auto correct is murder on Smith-Schawvers name. Gonna be a rough offseason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 3:20 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d need Grissom, Smith-Shawver, Waldrep and another piece Expand Was basically thinking the same thing, which wouldn’t actually be a bad package from a pure value standpoint. Just not an exciting one and I’d personally rather get a potentially more impactful positional guy to headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 This scenario fits with the last few weeks: The Braves showed interest but weren’t willing or able to give the hefty offer you folks want. So, they’re waiting to see if Getz will accept the Braves deal as the best he can do. Meanwhile, Getz is leaking everything he possibly can to anyone who will print anything - “I will move him before the winter meetings, I will wait until the end of the year, the Dodgers showed interest, the Diamondbacks showed interest, tell all our local guys to keep mentioning the Orioles” to try to drive some additional interest or competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 3:35 PM, Balta1701 said: This scenario fits with the last few weeks: The Braves showed interest but weren’t willing or able to give the hefty offer you folks want. So, they’re waiting to see if Getz will accept the Braves deal as the best he can do. Meanwhile, Getz is leaking everything he possibly can to anyone who will print anything - “I will move him before the winter meetings, I will wait until the end of the year, the Dodgers showed interest, the Diamondbacks showed interest, tell all our local guys to keep mentioning the Orioles” to try to drive some additional interest or competition. Expand You’re really hoping we get s%*# for him 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 3:38 PM, Chicago White Sox said: You’re really hoping we get s%*# for him Expand Any version of “this guy isn’t worth as much as you think” becomes a personal “you hate success!” - a classic White Sox move. Probably exactly how they created the Yes Man setup that defined the last GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I actually just think Grissom is underrated here because he’s off prospect lists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I also thought he was older, much as I thought DeJong was taller but this time it worked in the players favor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 3:20 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d need Grissom, Smith-Shawver, Waldrep and another piece Expand Not my favorite package. Really hope BAL steps up but those prospect hugging losers seem unwilling to fully go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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