SoCalChiSox Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 7:22 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yeah, if you're dealing with the Red Sox, their only headliner is Anthony imo. Anthony and Teel would be really nice. Expand Imo that would be great and you can layer trade Quero for pitching or 2B or whatever else we need. Cease is 40 SV....the other two combined are around 57-58 I think but in this market it's a reasonable ask....we could throw in something, I dunno what they want or need...im not going to say Santos as I don't want Lip Man to jump down my throat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 7:22 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yeah, if you're dealing with the Red Sox, their only headliner is Anthony imo. Anthony and Teel would be really nice. Expand In any deal. I want a quality SP in first or 2nd pick. I like Teel as a 2nd but then I want a pitcher as the headliner. Having said that, not sure Boston has a SP headliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 7:22 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yeah, if you're dealing with the Red Sox, their only headliner is Anthony imo. Anthony and Teel would be really nice. Expand Would love to see SD and BOS involved in the Cease bidding Either could create a nice package Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:12 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Imo that would be great and you can layer trade Quero for pitching or 2B or whatever else we need. Cease is 40 SV....the other two combined are around 57-58 I think but in this market it's a reasonable ask....we could throw in something, I dunno what they want or need...im not going to say Santos as I don't want Lip Man to jump down my throat. Expand I think that $40M surplus value is too low. IMO, he’s a 4 win pitcher and worst case scenario you’re looking at (8 x $9M) - $20M = $52M. Throw in the strong possibility of a QO compensation pick when he leaves and the general scarcity of quality SP and I think you’re looking at $60M easily in expected surplus value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:14 PM, SCCWS said: In any deal. I want a quality SP in first or 2nd pick. I like Teel as a 2nd but then I want a pitcher as the headliner. Having said that, not sure Boston has a SP headliner. Expand I'm the opposite actually. I want batters (all else being equal) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:48 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'm the opposite actually. I want batters (all else being equal) Expand I agree. We can get pitching when we trade Robert in a year or two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:48 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'm the opposite actually. I want batters (all else being equal) Expand Yea, give me position players as well. Pitching everything else being equal, is just more prone to injury risk and sudden changes in true talent. Try and build a decent core around Colson and whoever comes back in the Cease trade and figure out the pitching once that is hopefully accomplished. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:46 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I think that $40M surplus value is too low. IMO, he’s a 4 win pitcher and worst case scenario you’re looking at (8 x $9M) - $20M = $52M. Throw in the strong possibility of a QO compensation pick when he leaves and the general scarcity of quality SP and I think you’re looking at $60M easily in expected surplus value. Expand At 60m it's a fair straight up deal. If Getz could get Anthony and Teel for Cease it would be a huge coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:14 PM, SCCWS said: In any deal. I want a quality SP in first or 2nd pick. I like Teel as a 2nd but then I want a pitcher as the headliner. Having said that, not sure Boston has a SP headliner. Expand Yordanny Monegro RHP would be a must for me as a third or fourth piece in a Case to Boston deal He is coming off a terrific season Him and Perales are the best arms in the Red sox system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:46 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I think that $40M surplus value is too low. IMO, he’s a 4 win pitcher and worst case scenario you’re looking at (8 x $9M) - $20M = $52M. Throw in the strong possibility of a QO compensation pick when he leaves and the general scarcity of quality SP and I think you’re looking at $60M easily in expected surplus value. Expand I also agree that the Baseball trade values website is low on Cease's surplus value in this environment. Often it greatly overestimates how valuable a prospect is vs. a proven MLB talent. So many prospects bust and deliver little, if any, value. Short of injury, you largely know that Cease will give you really solid 30+ starts for two seasons with #1/2 starter upside. When Seth Lugo ate age 34 is getting 3/$45 million, Cease's age 28 and 29 seasons for 2/$25 million plus potential qualifying offer compensation is a steal Yamamoto/Snell/Montgomery are all going to cash in on massive deals I laugh when I see Orioles fans thinking Joey Ortiz and Cade Povich can headline a deal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I know they aren't going to deal Robert but if we went all in we could get a haul from BOS for Robert and Cease. SP Bello RF Anthony CF Rafaela C Teel 2B Yorke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:12 PM, SoCalChiSox said: I know they aren't going to deal Robert but if we went all in we could get a haul from BOS for Robert and Cease. SP Bello RF Anthony CF Rafaela C Teel 2B Yorke Expand Great, but what are we getting for Cease? 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:12 PM, SoCalChiSox said: I know they aren't going to deal Robert but if we went all in we could get a haul from BOS for Robert and Cease. SP Bello RF Anthony CF Rafaela C Teel 2B Yorke Expand I would not make this trade for Robert + Cease. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:25 PM, ChiSox59 said: I would not make this trade for Robert + Cease. Expand Agreed. They need to be traded separately honestly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:12 PM, SoCalChiSox said: I know they aren't going to deal Robert but if we went all in we could get a haul from BOS for Robert and Cease. SP Bello RF Anthony CF Rafaela C Teel 2B Yorke Expand The only team that could afford Robert are the Orioles. And that would mean them trading Holiday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:12 PM, SoCalChiSox said: I know they aren't going to deal Robert but if we went all in we could get a haul from BOS for Robert and Cease. SP Bello RF Anthony CF Rafaela C Teel 2B Yorke Expand I would not accept that offer from Boston either It is not realistic for Robert and Cease to be dealt in the same trade, I am not sure there is a farm in the MLB that would A) Have what the Sox would want and B) Be willing to absolutely gut their farm You essentially have to keep Robert for another season or two, no chance you could get fair value in return for four years of prime control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I miss the days of Soxtalk when the 69-page threads were about players that the Sox were rumored to be acquiring and not 69-page threads about players the Sox were selling off. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Interesting, as he said the Orioles were leading the other day: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:36 PM, fathom said: Interesting, as he said the Orioles were leading the other day: Expand ugh. I don't like the braves system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:35 PM, Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm said: I miss the days of Soxtalk when the 69-page threads were about players that the Sox were rumored to be acquiring and not 69-page threads about players the Sox were selling off. Expand I hope they keep Cease to open the season unless they are blown away by an offer. There should be no desperation to sell unless the price is right. This doesn’t seem to be a good offseason to sell a SP with a dozen or so pitchers still available in FA that teams don’t need to lose prospects to acquire. What hurts more is the death of the Padres owner which ends their spending ways, and the Mets scaling back as well, limiting aggressive teams to just a few. I’ve always thought there was a close to zero chance the Orioles would want Cease because their cheap ass owner would be concerned with paying $20M plus over the next two years, let alone giving up any prospects for him. They added dick at the trade deadline despite record profits last year and a solid fan attendance. Just a disgraceful franchise, worse than the Sox IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:35 PM, Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm said: I miss the days of Soxtalk when the 69-page threads were about players that the Sox were rumored to be acquiring and not 69-page threads about players the Sox were selling off. Expand And that we never got? Those days sucked too, to be real. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:53 PM, South Side Hit Men said: This doesn’t seem to be a good offseason to sell a SP with a dozen or so pitchers still available in FA that teams don’t need to lose prospects to acquire. Expand Who are these dozen SP’s and which ones are anywhere near as good as Cease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Mahle signs with the Rangers 2/22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) On 12/14/2023 at 9:36 PM, fathom said: Interesting, as he said the Orioles were leading the other day: Expand Either the FO is engaging in a massive well orchestrated disinformation campaign to try and scare someone OR We're screwed. I'm hoping for the former. Edited December 14, 2023 by SoCalChiSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:35 PM, Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm said: I miss the days of Soxtalk when the 69-page threads were about players that the Sox were rumored to be acquiring and not 69-page threads about players the Sox were selling off. Expand Look where it got us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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