caulfield12 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: With the exception of the insane revenue that allows LAD to sign seven hundred million dollar contracts. Padres have Cronenworth, Tatis, Musgrove, Machado, Bogaerts, Darvish…all over $100 million, HaSeong Kim would be the next over that amount with a repeat of 2023’s numbers. Will never know how long that would have been sustainable with Seidler’s death placing a cloud over the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Didn't work well getting anything for Clevinger despite his being the best pitcher. I'm not convinced the Sox were aggressively shopping Clevinger. MLB has been full of tradeable players with a worse history. Edited December 24, 2023 by TaylorStSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I'm not convinced the Sox were aggressively shopping Clevinger. MLB has been full of tradeable players with a worse history. Zero reason not to. It’s just that he was coming off an injury and had only one start to go one and was also not cheap for a handful of starts down the stretch considering buyout and especially PR and clubhouse chemistry ramifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 10 hours ago, TaylorStSox said: I'm not convinced the Sox were aggressively shopping Clevinger. MLB has been full of tradeable players with a worse history. He made 1 start and pitched 5 innings from June 14th to the deadline. With his buyout, he was equivalent to a $30 million a year pitcher at that point. That was the reason they couldn’t trade him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Yeah they’re not trading him if they’re asking for that much 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah they’re not trading him if they’re asking for that much I don’t think that’s true. They know what they’ll ultimately take in return. Lowder +Arroyo would be a fun and realistic return. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share Posted December 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah they’re not trading him if they’re asking for that much You keep asking for that much until you get a legitimate offer or you start running out of time. Until then, you keep the asking price high. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Yeah I don’t see much wrong with that ask 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Let the Reds keep Lowder and feel like they are getting a win. Arroyo, Petty, Phillips and Hector Rodriguez is still a great deal for the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 4 hours ago, fathom said: Yeah they’re not trading him if they’re asking for that much What you really mean is that they're not trading him this early if they are asking for that much. Some GMs always want to "win" trades notoriously. Other GMs find dealing with those guys distasteful. But Getz isn't doing that. Teams will definately pay a high price. Depending on circumstances. But they usually don't do it early, that's for sure. We are early. And they never pay something ridiculous this side of the Minnesota Vikings. But there is nothing ridiculous described here that says nothing will happen if the Sox keep the high ask. If Getz wasn't using high standards going into his deals, that would be malpractice. We will see who blinks when the pressure is really on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Let the Reds keep Lowder and feel like they are getting a win. Arroyo, Petty, Phillips and Hector Rodriguez is still a great deal for the Sox Sox say no, I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Sox say no, I hope. Why do you like Arroyo so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said: What you really mean is that they're not trading him this early if they are asking for that much. Some GMs always want to "win" trades notoriously. Other GMs find dealing with those guys distasteful. But Getz isn't doing that. Teams will definately pay a high price. Depending on circumstances. But they usually don't do it early, that's for sure. We are early. And they never pay something ridiculous this side of the Minnesota Vikings. But there is nothing ridiculous described here that says nothing will happen if the Sox keep the high ask. If Getz wasn't using high standards going into his deals, that would be malpractice. We will see who blinks when the pressure is really on. Early December, the Winter Meetings, is not so early that you want to tell everyone that his price is exorbitant and something no one would ever pay if you actually are wanting to move him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Early December, the Winter Meetings, is not so early that you want to tell everyone that his price is exorbitant and something no one would ever pay if you actually are wanting to move him. exorbitant. Who defines that? Starting high in a negotiation, or gauging a market price for a product is not the same practice as indulging in exorbitance. It’s an ask. If there are no takers, and prices stay the same, that’s where exorbitant labels come in. Early on, its likely just a lure thrown out to see if a fish jumps onto the hook. And possibly to get other teams to put better offers out than their own early offers if they wanted an early deal. Edited December 25, 2023 by Chick Mercedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Early December, the Winter Meetings, is not so early that you want to tell everyone that his price is exorbitant and something no one would ever pay if you actually are wanting to move him. This is the reality of negotiations though. If you are selling a prized asset, the “buy it now” price is going to be ridiculous until you get into a more formal bidding process and start receiving serious offers. As has been leaked to the media numerous times this off-season, Getz was waiting on Yamamoto and the other high-end free agent SPs (Snell, Montgomery) to come off the board first before accelerating trade discussions. The price will certainly come down as real bids comes in and both sides gradually work to some sort of compromise. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 For simple math, if you’re selling your car and you would take $5 for it you don’t advertise it for $5. You say $8, and maybe you get $8, maybe you get $7 or $6. You don’t start at $5. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, T R U said: For simple math, if you’re selling your car and you would take $5 for it you don’t advertise it for $5. You say $8, and maybe you get $8, maybe you get $7 or $6. You don’t start at $5. However, if you have potential customers who might pay $6, and they’re going to buy something with their money, if your asking price is $20 they’re most likely going to politely talk with you and then walk away. No matter how many times you leak to the press that someone is definitely going to pay $20, they will still be smarter than that. They might even wait a few weeks and leak to Jeff Passan that you’re asking $20 for a $5 car. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said: exorbitant. Who defines that? Starting high in a negotiation, or gauging a market price for a product is not the same practice as indulging in exorbitance. It’s an ask. If there are no takers, and prices stay the same, that’s where exorbitant labels come in. Early on, its likely just a lure thrown out to see if a fish jumps onto the hook. And possibly to get other teams to put better offers out than their own early offers if they wanted an early deal. If you did a little of that in November, fine, you’re probably not going to scare away the fish. If you’re doing that in December, they’ll just understand that you’re not serious and go figure out other options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 On 12/22/2023 at 3:17 PM, Chicago White Sox said: No one here is expecting Jackson Holiday and the rumor is that’s what Hahn was asking for as the starting point at the deadline. 6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is the reality of negotiations though. If you are selling a prized asset, the “buy it now” price is going to be ridiculous until you get into a more formal bidding process and start receiving serious offers. As has been leaked to the media numerous times this off-season, Getz was waiting on Yamamoto and the other high-end free agent SPs (Snell, Montgomery) to come off the board first before accelerating trade discussions. The price will certainly come down as real bids comes in and both sides gradually work to some sort of compromise. Note the contrast though! Youre saying Hahn asked for too much and silly Balta that’s why he didn’t move. Great work by Getz doing the same thing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: However, if you have potential customers who might pay $6, and they’re going to buy something with their money, if your asking price is $20 they’re most likely going to politely talk with you and then walk away. No matter how many times you leak to the press that someone is definitely going to pay $20, they will still be smarter than that. They might even wait a few weeks and leak to Jeff Passan that you’re asking $20 for a $5 car. I mean, do you actually feel the rumored ask from the Reds is 4x what the likely return would be? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Note the contrast though! Youre saying Hahn asked for too much and silly Balta that’s why he didn’t move. Great work by Getz doing the same thing though. Which prospect in this proposal is in the same stratosphere as Holiday? I’ll hang up and listen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 41 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If you did a little of that in November, fine, you’re probably not going to scare away the fish. If you’re doing that in December, they’ll just understand that you’re not serious and go figure out other options. What other options are there? And what are the current asking prices for these other options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What other options are there? And what are the current asking prices for these other options? Tyler Glasnow, he cost Ryan Pepiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 18 hours ago, fathom said: Yeah they’re not trading him if they’re asking for that much 40 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Which prospect in this proposal is in the same stratosphere as Holiday? I’ll hang up and listen. It is possible for an ask of 3-4 prospects to have more value than 1. This is why fathoms reaction was “yeah he’s not moving if they’re asking that”. The good news though for my “agenda” as y’all say is that this is a bad enough strategy that it just increases the chances Cease doesn’t move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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