WestEddy Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, ron883 said: Screw it. Trade Robert if a good enough package comes through. The problem is, that package doesn't exist for most teams. Robert has to return at least 3 top 100 prospects plus 2 or 3, with one of them top 5, and the 2nd a top 20. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Yeah, virtually guaranteed we'll be watching Bummer in high-leverage situations on TV next October, listening to how he "just never got traction with the White Sox, but has been a revelation here in Atlanta with a chance to perform on the big stage..." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said: Yeah, virtually guaranteed we'll be watching Bummer in high-leverage situations on TV next October, listening to how he "just never got traction with the White Sox, but has been a revelation here in Atlanta with a chance to perform on the big stage..." Nah it's mental with him. He will fail perhaps even harder Edited November 17, 2023 by Buehrle>Wood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The problem is, that package doesn't exist for most teams. Robert has to return at least 3 top 100 prospects plus 2 or 3, with one of them top 5, and the 2nd a top 20. No way, think of the Sale deal. That's the most realistic package. Robert is not Juan Soto. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Shuster is kind of interesting because his fastball is a truly horrific pitch. Only gets whiffs 9% of the time and gets killed when they aren't whiffing. He only throws it 45% of the time, but maybe even that is too much. Maybe we can figure something out to play up his strengths. Back in the Don Cooper days, I'd be looking for him to show up with a cutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: No way, think of the Sale deal. That's the most realistic package. Robert is not Juan Soto. Robert is coming off a 5 WAR season at a premium position (something Soto does not play) cost much less in money and is cost controlled till 2027 (Soto 2025). He will absolutely get a haul. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: If they trade Cease and Robert for prospects that easily puts the Sox farm system as the top in MLB correct? Plus another top 5 pick coming next draft. Doubtful they’d be number 1 honestly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: No way, think of the Sale deal. That's the most realistic package. Robert is not Juan Soto. Why would you want that? Most of this board hates Moncada abd would love to see Kopech gone as well. When you have a guy like Robert, you keep him until it makes no sense not. You can't get a guy with his talent with 4 years of control at his pay rate. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: No way, think of the Sale deal. That's the most realistic package. Robert is not Juan Soto. If Cubs want to trade PCA, Horton and Morel for Robert, that would work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jake said: Shuster is kind of interesting because his fastball is a truly horrific pitch. Only gets whiffs 9% of the time and gets killed when they aren't whiffing. He only throws it 45% of the time, but maybe even that is too much. Maybe we can figure something out to play up his strengths. Back in the Don Cooper days, I'd be looking for him to show up with a cutter. First big test for Bannister. I’m not a fan of Shuster but maybe they see something with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, fathom said: If Cubs want to trade PCA, Horton and Morel for Robert, that would work PCA is never going to hit at the MLB level. No thanks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Why would you want that? Most of this board hates Moncada abd would love to see Kopech gone as well. When you have a guy like Robert, you keep him until it makes no sense not. You can't get a guy with his talent with 4 years of control at his pay rate. I'm talking about what Moncada, Kopech and Basabe were thought of as prospects in 2017. Not what they ended up being. So you're talking a top 5 prospect in the game, a top 40 prospect in the game, a top 150-175 guy and an interesting pitcher. Does that make more sense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: I'm talking about what Moncada, Kopech and Basabe were thought of as prospects in 2017. Not what they ended up being. So you're talking a top 5 prospect in the game, a top 40 prospect in the game, a top 150-175 guy and an interesting pitcher. Does that make more sense? These trades usually don’t work out as well as one would hope. Hahn actually did much better trading Eaton, Q and Sale than most others trading their controlled stars for prospects and at the end of the day there wasn’t one player most of this board didn’t turn on at some point. The Sox most successful rebuild during JRs time was done by Larry Himes. He kept Fisk and Guillen. Turned out pretty wise. Edited November 17, 2023 by Dick Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: PCA is never going to hit at the MLB level. No thanks. Way too early to say that. The dude is only 21 and already in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Robert is coming off a 5 WAR season at a premium position (something Soto does not play) cost much less in money and is cost controlled till 2027 (Soto 2025). He will absolutely get a haul. Sox have Robert four more seasons…Soto a FA at end of next season. Edited November 17, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Why would you want that? Most of this board hates Moncada abd would love to see Kopech gone as well. When you have a guy like Robert, you keep him until it makes no sense not. You can't get a guy with his talent with 4 years of control at his pay rate. Don't talk sense around here...... We have so much hate for this team/organization that we can't understand we have a super star on our hands that we should be building around 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The problem is, that package doesn't exist for most teams. Robert has to return at least 3 top 100 prospects plus 2 or 3, with one of them top 5, and the 2nd a top 20. That's the thing. It would have to be one of the greatest packages ever for a single player. It would definitely require some young ML talent, not only minor Leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Just now, 2Deep said: Don't talk sense around here...... We have so much hate for this team/organization that we can't understand we have a super star on our hands that we should be building around I always argued for a second generation rebuild. Trading off Eloy, moncada, kopech, etc. the future "stars" we got in the first generation of the rebuild. Before they were really known commodities. Imagine how stacked the farm would have been. We'd be in good shape now if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, GGajewski18 said: Soroka and Shuster will be in the rotation next year. Lopez will be the starting 2B. Shewmake could be the starting SS to start the season too. Gowens. If he does well, should be a fast riser through the system. I'm fine with the trade. No bullpen piece during a rebuild should be making over 5 million anyway. Let the kids give it a go. Now go trade Cease and Eloy No guarantee they will roster Soroka at $6-7 million except for proving Getz and Bannister/Katz correct…a player with two years remaining is basically just a flip candidate in this situation anyway, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, ron883 said: I always argued for a second generation rebuild. Trading off Eloy, moncada, kopech, etc. the future "stars" we got in the first generation of the rebuild. Before they were really known commodities. Imagine how stacked the farm would have been. We'd be in good shape now if that was the case. No they wouldn’t. The biggest flaw with the Sox rebuild is one everyone here noticed from the get go. The same dopes that got you to the point you needed a total rebuild after a decade , using their own words, mired in mediocrity, were the chosen ones to lead the team out of the abyss. The more trades they made, the worse they would have become. Perhaps the best player they did get in the rebuild now is Dane Dunning. I bet the Sox would take him back now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said: Yeah, virtually guaranteed we'll be watching Bummer in high-leverage situations on TV next October, listening to how he "just never got traction with the White Sox, but has been a revelation here in Atlanta with a chance to perform on the big stage..." I'm very confident he will live up to his name in ATL. He's never been the same since his bicep injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Sox have Robert four more seasons…Soto a FA at end of next season. .... yea that's exactly what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: No they wouldn’t. The biggest flaw with the Sox rebuild is one everyone here noticed from the get go. The same dopes that got you to the point you needed a total rebuild after a decade , using their own words, mired in mediocrity, were the chosen ones to lead the team out of the abyss. The more trades they made, the worse they would have become. Perhaps the best player they did get in the rebuild now is Dane Dunning. I bet the Sox would take him back now. Whatever the true motivations behind declining Anderson’s option were, I give Getz this much credit - I didn’t see it coming. Would Williams and Hahn have let him go? I really doubt it. It went against White Sox logic and past practices. I didn’t expect Bummer to be traded (and definitely this early), either. I can’t foolishly believe that changing around a couple guys is going to somehow change the deeply entrenched White Sox culture; but I like the start of it. Edited November 17, 2023 by Flash Tizzle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Flash Tizzle said: Whatever the true motivations behind declining Anderson’s option were, I give Getz this much credit - I didn’t see it coming. Would Williams and Hahn have let him go? I really doubt it. It went against White Sox logic and past practices. I didn’t expect Bummer to be traded (and definitely this early). I agree with credit here. The worst thing the White Sox could have done this offseason was to insist that they could make themselves win 83 games and be competitive for the AL Central or the Wild Card, every time they do that with a 70 win team it sets them back for years with bad contracts and traded away talent. The two moves they've made so far may not make them better long term, but neither is a move you make when you're going to sell everything out to try to luck your way back to .500 at the expense of the next half decade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, SoxAce said: .... yea that's exactly what I said. The way it was written…it can’t be just a two year difference from 2025 to 27. Robert hits the market in 2027-2028, Soto in 2024-25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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