Buehrle>Wood Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 This is a hell of a trade on paper. Pretty incredible they got 5 players for Bummer, at least 3 of them who could provide some value. Guess we shall see with Soroka though. Shuster seems like the true headliner; imagine he slots into the rotation right away. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:09 AM, Sleepy Harold said: Riley Gowens is also from Libertyville and went to U of I Expand I thought she swam at Kentucky? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Nicky can bring it with the glove so Getz wasn't lying about valuing team defense. Anyone know how Braden Shewmake's glove stands out? I like that in AAA, he had 27 stolen bases to only 1 caught stealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 This trade is basically a bet on Soroka becoming solid again. Lopez is just a gap filler till Montgomery is ready, Shewmake can’t hit, and Shuster isn’t good and has very limited upside if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:13 AM, ron883 said: LOL I forgot how often he brought that up. I was wondering why people kept joking about Nicky Lopez. Expand It was more the KC connection. Also, Jason knew what he was doing and it was obvious haha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:13 AM, caulfield12 said: Saved a good chunk of money that won't be reinvested... Expand There is no money savings…Bummer was at 5.5 in 2024 and minimum 2.5 to buyout….so 8 mil. Soroka and Lopez alone, are at that figure for 2024. That being said, I’d rather have any of the 5 dudes they just got, over the lack of enjoyment gained by watching Aaron Bummer pitch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Again, with the non-tender deadline being tomorrow this looks more like house cleaning from Braves perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 a junk for junk trade woohoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Does this mean we don’t have to get Salvador Perez now? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1725376722168590417?t=T2KxMpamIfJIUAj7-tPv5g&s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Clearing more $$$ to offer Shohei a solid deferred package. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:17 AM, Capn12 said: There is no money savings…Bummer was at 5.4 in 2024 and minimum 2.5 to buyout….so 8 mil. Soroka and Lopez alone, are at that figure for 2024. That being said, I’d rather have any of the 5 dudes they just got, over the lack of enjoyment gained by watching Aaron Bummer pitch. Expand I feel like adding Soroka to rotation over a gamble in free agency making ~$10M makes it feel like payroll is getting slashed even more than we expect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:19 AM, Bob Sacamano said: I feel like adding Soroka to rotation over a gamble in free agency making ~$10M makes it feel like payroll is getting slashed even more than we expect. Expand It is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:16 AM, SoxAce said: Nicky can bring it with the glove so Getz wasn't lying about valuing team defense. Anyone know how Braden Shewmake's glove stands out? I like that in AAA, he had 27 stolen bases to only 1 caught stealing. Expand Lopez has been worthless with the bat but his defense and base running have made him a 1 WAR player each of the past 2 seasons. That's something at least. He can't be any worse than TA or the awful 2B the Sox have trotted our there the past 2 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGetzUs Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:19 AM, Bob Sacamano said: I feel like adding Soroka to rotation over a gamble in free agency making ~$10M makes it feel like payroll is getting slashed even more than we expect. Expand Saving Jerry more money to take to the grave. Gotta love it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:17 AM, Bob Sacamano said: Again, with the non-tender deadline being tomorrow this looks more like house cleaning from Braves perspective. Expand Yeah Lopez and Soroka were most likely non-tenders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:21 AM, chw42 said: Lopez has been worthless with the bat but his defense and base running have made him a 1 WAR player each of the past 2 seasons. That's something at least. He can't be any worse than TA or the awful 2B the Sox have trotted our there the past 2 years. Expand No doubt in my mind that Dejong-Lopez will be the middle infield to start the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) On 11/17/2023 at 5:16 AM, SoxAce said: Nicky can bring it with the glove so Getz wasn't lying about valuing team defense. Anyone know how Braden Shewmake's glove stands out? I like that in AAA, he had 27 stolen bases to only 1 caught stealing. Expand Per Pipeline: Quote Shewmake’s defense has improved to the point at which the metrics point to him being one of the better defensive shortstops in the Minor Leagues. He’s not flashy, but he has great hands, plus instincts and an above-average arm, leading other teams to ask about him because of his glovework. Expand They have him at 60 Fielding/55 Arm. Edited November 17, 2023 by Autumn Dreamin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:19 AM, Bob Sacamano said: I feel like adding Soroka to rotation over a gamble in free agency making ~$10M makes it feel like payroll is getting slashed even more than we expect. Expand To be fair, there is no one not named Luis Robert who should be salvaged on this roster, anyways. No point in paying for FA gambles, when this team is nowhere close to being competitive. I like moves like this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:24 AM, Capn12 said: To be fair, there is no one not named Luis Robert who should be salvaged on this roster, anyways. No point in paying for FA gambles, when this team is nowhere close to being competitive. I like moves like this. Expand Yep, if you can find one starting player in this trade, it’s a huge win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:22 AM, Vote4Pedro said: Saving Jerry more money to take to the grave. Gotta love it Expand On 11/17/2023 at 5:21 AM, chw42 said: Lopez has been worthless with the bat but his defense and base running have made him a 1 WAR player each of the past 2 seasons. That's something at least. He can't be any worse than TA or the awful 2B the Sox have trotted our there the past 2 years. Expand Like, this feels worse than if they would gamble on say Montas or Severino (or signing both). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Wonder what the price tag on Bummer was when there was “a lot of interest” at the deadline last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:25 AM, Bob Sacamano said: Like, this feels worse than if they would gamble on say Montas or Severino (or signing both). Expand They still will go after FA starters. They have 4 holes likely once Cease is dealt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 This is a solid haul. Few lottery tickets and a number of guys that will at least be members of the 26 man roster at some point for a RP that has straight up been bad. I also suspect the Braves will get the most out of Bummer because that’s what good organizations do, but it wasn’t going to happen here 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) On 11/17/2023 at 5:27 AM, Bob Sacamano said: Wonder what the price tag on Bummer was when there was “a lot of interest” at the deadline last year. Expand Should have got Velazquez from the Cubs Edited November 17, 2023 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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