Eloy Trade Rumor Thread

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I have no idea how bad his shoulder is. Do you? 

Again, does it matter? If you’re paying him $14M or equal/greater than Eloy you’re committed to that contract. So no need to caveat anything else when picking between the two in terms of 2024 performance.

[Balta1701]

5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Again, does it matter? If you’re paying him $14M or equal/greater than Eloy you’re committed to that contract. So no need to caveat anything else when picking between the two in terms of 2024 performance.

Well yeah, if he has serious shoulder damage and very good reason to think he won't pitch much if at all this year then I'd take Eloy over him, because shoulders for pitchers can be iffy and take a lot longer to heal than you expect. I haven't recently conducted a physical on him, I assume you have?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

22 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I don't really expect the Sox to sign a FA SP.  Not because of strict budget limit (like $125M is a hard limit and Getz cannot possibly go over that in any circumstance), but because they're not really trying to win in 24 and doing a fairly hard reset.

Then again, I would be shocked if they did sign a stop gap SP. I am not really sure what their plan is at this point.  Being limited to the 10th overall pick really negates the benefit of being god awful.  

This is a bit different than you saying payroll won't be an issue so definitively.

If it's not an issue I wanted to know your thoughts on the final payroll and what we can expect to add.

If JR gave Getz a cap where payroll isn't an issue what advantage is gained by Getz not spending up to the limit ?

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

If JR gave Getz a cap where payroll isn't an issue what advantage is gained by Getz not spending up to the limit ?

I would certainly say that there's a benefit in keeping your money for a future year. This was my complaint in 2019, they spent a bunch of really bad money that year on a team that got up to 70 wins, and then 2 years later they could have really benefited by having $15 or $20 million more to spend. Woulda been super nice if they could have put that money towards Wheeler in 2020 or towards any number of positions in 2021. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Just now, Balta1701 said:

I would certainly say that there's a benefit in keeping your money for a future year. This was my complaint in 2019, they spent a bunch of really bad money that year on a team that got up to 70 wins, and then 2 years later they could have really benefited by having $15 or $20 million more to spend. Woulda been super nice if they could have put that money towards Wheeler in 2020 or towards any number of positions in 2021. 

I've brought up that scenario before about saving for next year . Frankly you'd have to trust JR and there's nothing to stop JR from saying yes I'll give you an extra $15-20M next year and then he increases the payroll $5M and tells Getz we incurred a lot more losses than I anticipated because the team was so bad. You knew I wanted to compete asap. You should've spent the whole  budget on a better team.

Trust JR to keep his word and telling Getz you're fired for questioning his authority to do as he pleases seems more likely

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

Well yeah, if he has serious shoulder damage and very good reason to think he won't pitch much if at all this year then I'd take Eloy over him, because shoulders for pitchers can be iffy and take a lot longer to heal than you expect. I haven't recently conducted a physical on him, I assume you have?

You’re being obtuse. He signs for the same or more money than Eloy is making in 2024 was the underlying assumption in this comparison. Presumably, that means he passes a physical. If he doesn’t pass a physical, he doesn’t get signed and it’s a moot point obviously.

[ChiSox59]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

This is a bit different than you saying payroll won't be an issue so definitively.

If it's not an issue I wanted to know your thoughts on the final payroll and what we can expect to add.

If JR gave Getz a cap where payroll isn't an issue what advantage is gained by Getz not spending up to the limit ?

I meant payroll isn't an issue in the sense that I don't think $125M is a hard, cannot pass limit.  The Sox payroll has been in the $180-$200M range the last few seasons.  JR obviously wants to cut payroll, but I don't think the current payroll of like $118M is the max.  That's all I mean by say the say are not at their limit. 

[South Side Hit Men]

2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

I meant payroll isn't an issue in the sense that I don't think $125M is a hard, cannot pass limit.  The Sox payroll has been in the $180-$200M range the last few seasons.  JR obviously wants to cut payroll, but I don't think the current payroll of like $118M is the max.  That's all I mean by say the say are not at their limit. 

$115M - $130M has been his comfort range post World Series, with the two TLR years the exception.

There has been substantial increases in revenue and inflation, so hoping for a new normal range of $140M-$160M. The reductions this offseason at this point are reasonable, because the ticket base has to be the lowest since the 1994 + White Flag Trade years to close out the 1990s.

I predicted 2024 payroll in the $120M-$139M range (pegged it at $128M) before the offseason began based primarily on the lack of expected variable revenue this season. Hopeful Getz and his FO can form a decent core lineup and staff by 2026, with more enjoyable baseball to follow in season the next two years until current and future acquisitions are ready to be promoted.