Eloy Trade Rumor Thread

[Dick Allen]

Just now, Balta1701 said:

If Eloy is half as good as these people say then why aren't we talking about a top 100 prospect for him? He's a good hitter right? Last year we were told that Eloy and Hendriks for Jeff McNeil and the game's number 1 prospect was a move people didn't want to do because Eloy might hit 40 home runs and they needed the offense. If he's an .840 OPS hitter why aren't people beating down the door for him?

You can’t have it both ways. And if the White Sox are anywhere near their payroll ceiling, their owner is a stone cold liar. BTW, what $14 million a year pitcher is out there for the taking? Seems like you ghost me whenever I ask for examples 

[Balta1701]

Just now, Dick Allen said:

You can’t have it both ways. And if the White Sox are anywhere near their payroll ceiling, their owner is a stone cold liar. BTW, what $14 million a year pitcher is out there for the taking? Seems like you ghost me whenever I ask for examples 

Lucas Giolito presumably. Flaherty literally signed for exactly that last week.

[Dick Allen]

Just now, Balta1701 said:

Lucas Giolito presumably. Flaherty literally signed for exactly that last week.

And you really think it’s a possibility the White Sox signed Giolito if Eloy was off the books?

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Lucas Giolito presumably. Flaherty literally signed for exactly that last week.

Huh? MLBTR projects Giolito to receive 2/$44M. Nowhere near $14M. No thanks.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

And you really think it’s a possibility the White Sox signed Giolito if Eloy was off the books?

I think it's entirely possible that they had a $125 million payroll limit and they've reached it and that's why they haven't added a more experienced starter, sure.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Huh? MLBTR projects Giolito to receive 2/$44M. Nowhere near $14M. No thanks.

22. Jack Flaherty. Three years, $40MM

What did he actually get? 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

22. Jack Flaherty. Three years, $40MM

What did he actually get? 

They were wrong on years but spot on AAV. Actually, they were at $13.33M AAV so if Giolito signs for 1 year he’s gonna get $22M right? Again, nowhere near $14M…

Edited December 19, 2023 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE

[Dick Allen]

6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I think it's entirely possible that they had a $125 million payroll limit and they've reached it and that's why they haven't added a more experienced starter, sure.

The guy who never goes public, holds a press conference says he hired someone who didn’t earn or deserve the job because he didn’t want to waste a year, and he drops payroll over $60 million? That makes no sense. Dropping a bit yes, but not that much.

 

I think the problem with totally tanking in 2024 is there is no reward except to JRs bank account in 2025. They can’t draft higher than 10th. The 11th and 12th picks in 2024 will be by teams with 78 wins. A pretty decent season in the Rick Hahn era.
 

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

They were wrong on years but spot on AAV. Actually, they were at $13.33M AAV so if Giolito signs for 1 year he’s gonna get $22M right? Again, nowhere near $14M…

So are there any pitchers available who MLBTR projected for $14 million annual value? Let's find out.

Frankie Montas, 1/$15.
Sean Manaea, 2/$22.
Michael Lorenzen, 2/$22
Clevinger, 2/$26 (no I would not be happy about this)
Yariel Rodriguez 4/$32 (Cuban/Japanese import)
 

[Chicago White Sox]

58 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Fine, let's do this.

2021, 231 plate appearances, .740 OPS, .293 BABIP.
2022, 327 plate appearances, .858 OPS, .337 BABIP.
2023, 489 plate appearances, .758 OPS, .305 BABIP.

3 years, 1047 plate appearances, .785 OPS. 

How much you wanna hang on "he's really the player that he was in 2020! That season is representative of everything!"? 

You say why we hate on people, why we don't say anything positive - because burying one's head in the ground and calling this adequate deserves a response. This is poor performance for anything but a backup or platoon player. It doesn't deserve compliments, and you can't even type his performance last year on its own because it was so bad that you have to lump in his 2020 to make it look better.

To be fair he was really good in 2022 and you seem to be attributing it to luck by citing BABIP where his wOBA was .370 vs. an xwOBA of .365 which is nearly identical to his 2020 production.  And nothing really stands out last year in his offensive profile vs. his previous “good” seasons other than a lower average launch angle and higher pop-up percentage.

I think Eloy is a guy who with some swing / approach changes could still end be up being a regular +130 wRC+ hitter, but obviously he has never shown that level of consistency and it’s hard to to believe we’ll be the org to unlock that potential.  And that doesn’t account for the massive risk with him due to his natural physical awkwardness.  I just think you’re underselling the potential he has flashed.

[Dick Allen]

Eloy to me is a classic hold to the deadline guy. You can’t get much for him now. He figures how to get the ball airborne more often, he stays healthy, he has more team control than Cease. He keeps getting hurt and hitting grounders. He has a $3 million buyout.

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The guy who never goes public, holds a press conference says he hired someone who didn’t earn or deserve the job because he didn’t want to waste a year, and he drops payroll over $60 million? That makes no sense. Dropping a bit yes, but not that much.

 

I think the problem with totally tanking in 2024 is there is no reward except to JRs bank account in 2025. They can’t draft higher than 10th. The 11th and 12th picks in 2024 will be by teams with 78 wins. A pretty decent season in the Rick Hahn era.
 

I don't think Reinsdorf cares one bit about his draft pick in 2025. I think he cares a lot about his bottom line this year, and I think they've got a good chance at challenging the all time attendance low for this ballpark. So yeah, I think he doesn't want to waste a year, but he isn't going to spend anything like what he committed the last couple years.

This is why Getz, fwiw, should have gotten Reinsdorf to understand and agree to a multi year plan format before taking the job. Reinsdorf never, ever, ever should have been up in a press conference talking about how they needed to "Win soon", it told me clearly that Getz didn't know he needed to prevent that.

[tray]

[Balta1701]

 

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

Eloy to me is a classic hold to the deadline guy. You can’t get much for him now. He figures how to get the ball airborne more often, he stays healthy, he has more team control than Cease. He keeps getting hurt and hitting grounders. He has a $3 million buyout.

That's fine to me, if I had no experience with him, Eloy would be the kind of "Bad contract" that I'd be ok with the White Sox taking on - some talent, some control, some ceiling. If you could have dumped a Clevinger last year and gotten an Eloy, that's  a move I'd have been ok with. This is an honest assessment of Eloy's performance, ceiling, and legitimate struggles.

But this is bloody different from "We can't move him we need him to protect Robert in the lineup!".

[Dick Allen]

8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

So are there any pitchers available who MLBTR projected for $14 million annual value? Let's find out.

Frankie Montas, 1/$15.
Sean Manaea, 2/$22.
Michael Lorenzen, 2/$22
Clevinger, 2/$26 (no I would not be happy about this)
Yariel Rodriguez 4/$32 (Cuban/Japanese import)
 

Which one is better than holding on to Eloy? And if the goal is saving money, the only one they actually save with in guaranteed money is Montas. 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Dick Allen

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

So are there any pitchers available who MLBTR projected for $14 million annual value? Let's find out.

Frankie Montas, 1/$15.
Sean Manaea, 2/$22.
Michael Lorenzen, 2/$22
Clevinger, 2/$26 (no I would not be happy about this)
Yariel Rodriguez 4/$32 (Cuban/Japanese import)
 

And that there is a steaming pile of s%*#. No thanks. I’d rather take my chances with Touki, Scholtens, Banks, etc. for a fraction of the cost in a non-competitive season. And then in the second half of the season I’d like to see younger guys get a chance - Nastrini, Eder, Mena, Burke, whoever the Sox acquire in the Cease trade. I’d also like to see the Sox sign additional FA hitters on one year show me contracts because right now this lineup is the worst I’ve seen in years, maybe ever.

[Lip Man 1]

2 minutes ago, tray said:

Just wondering where are all the videos on Eloy's comedic attempts at playing the outfield or running the bases (where he gets hurt?) ?

[Balta1701]

2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Which one is better than holding on to Eloy?

I would probably take 4 of those 5 pitchers over Eloy.

[Balta1701]

4 minutes ago, tray said:

Your highlights are from 2021?

Here's a video of Dallas Keuchel in June 2021 throwing 7 shutout innings against the Rays. Maybe we should add him, I think he's available? Look how good he was in 2021.

 

[Dick Allen]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I would probably take 4 of those 5 pitchers over Eloy.

You would take a steroid user coming off of shoulder surgery over Eloy?  

[poppysox]

23 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Huh? MLBTR projects Giolito to receive 2/$44M. Nowhere near $14M. No thanks.

If Gio gets 2/$44M there is a monster haul coming for Cease.

[Bob Sacamano]

I like the suggestion of Jake McCarthy for Eloy Jimenez. Feel like the D-Backs can still use another RHH (though, they could just sign Soler or JD Martinez if they want to).

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

You would take a steroid user coming off of shoulder surgery over Eloy?  

Lol. Those guys all suck. Eloy certainly has his warts but that list of pitchers is a dumpster fire. Sox will get similar or better production from the junk they already have.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

You would take a steroid user coming off of shoulder surgery over Eloy?  

I think he's far more likely to bring a return at the trade deadline than Eloy is. They're probably about equally likely to be healthy, probably roughly equally likely to be tolerable players next year, but teams are more likely to overpay for middling pitching based on last year and way less likely to pay for a middling DH. 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

2 minutes ago, poppysox said:

If Gio gets 2/$44M there is a monster haul coming for Cease.

Personally, I think it’s more likely Giolito bets on himself like Bellinger did last winter. I could see something like 1 year $20-22M with an option year/buyout attached.