Quin Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Buehrle lives! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Beltran and Andruw Jones the biggest winners. Sheffield will eventually get pushed in by the Veterans' Committee, probably after he and the writers who didn't get along with him are long removed from their various beefs/feuds and have passed on. Those numbers and NOT ever getting nailed for steroids equals an eventual vote in his favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Quin said: Buehrle lives! If he'd have kept pitching he'd have had a shot at 300 wins. Would be a lock then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 LF Joe Jackson 1B Rafael Palmeiro SS Alex Rodriguez DH Barry Bonds RF Carlos Beltran CF Andruw Jones C Thurman Munster 2B Bobby Grich 3B Craig Nettles Utility: Pete Rose SP Roger Clemens Swing Curt Schilling 7th Joe Nathan 8th Francisco Rodriguez 9th Billy Wagner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Buehrle may not be a Hall of Fame caliber but he was outstanding. Worked so fast; he was an artist on the mound. Mark couldn't pitch in today's game. He routinely cruised into the eighth or ninth. Love me some Buehrle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 joe mauer wtf lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 hours ago, flavum said: Beltre 95.1, Helton 79.7, Mauer 76.1 Wagner 5 short in year 9 Sheffield off ballot 63.9 Buehrle stays on at 8.3 Couldn't be happier about Sheffield. Terrible human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, joejoesox said: joe mauer wtf lmao Yeah I'm not sure he has the numbers to be in the hall. His peak was great, but very short. His bWAR and fWAR are both in the low 50s. That's usually not enough to get in, even at a position with shorter longevity like catcher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, chw42 said: Yeah I'm not sure he has the numbers to be in the hall. His peak was great, but very short. His bWAR and fWAR are both in the low 50s. That's usually not enough to get in, even at a position with shorter longevity like catcher. https://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstca.shtml How many catchers in the last 20-30 years, though? Biggio started as a catcher, lol. Ivan Rodriguez, with a cloud over his head. Piazza, likewise. Carter and Fisk from the previous generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) Mauer’s case was a pretty easy Yes. His damage was as a catcher. Three batting titles with an MVP. Over 2000 hits. A franchise player, Being a good guy doesn’t hurt him either. It’s an honor he deserves. Next year Wagner, Ichiro, and Sabathia are getting in. Edited January 24 by flavum 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I overvalue character and contribution to the image of baseball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 On 1/20/2024 at 1:56 PM, Quin said: He claims he didn't knowingly use steroids, but was once provided a cream by Bonds to recover from a knee injury. Ortiz waltzing in has kinda ruined the sanctity of the Hall regarding questionable steroid use for me. Blatant use? Sure. Ortiz being in while being on the 2003 list by his own admission while holding out other steroid guys is insanity. There's more evidence against him than say Roger Clemens or the same as Sosa. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpneck Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/23/2024 at 8:48 PM, Southwest Sider said: If he'd have kept pitching he'd have had a shot at 300 wins. Would be a lock then. He had 214 wins and retired at age 36. He would have had to average 13 wins/season until he was 43 (in 2022) to get to 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/24/2024 at 8:12 AM, Texsox said: I overvalue character and contribution to the image of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 21 minutes ago, lpneck said: He had 214 wins and retired at age 36. He would have had to average 13 wins/season until he was 43 (in 2022) to get to 300. Agreed it still would have been a long shot but he had Jaime Moyer type longevity in my mind and could have pitched into his 40s no sweat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, wegner said: Gross, unsubscribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/24/2024 at 1:28 AM, flavum said: Next year Wagner, Ichiro, and Sabathia are getting in. CCs stats are marginally better than Buehrles. A few more wins but he pitched on better teams. I fail to see why CC would be a lock and Buehrle is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 42 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Gross, unsubscribe. Oh no- you've asked us to unsubscribe you from Swisher Love. We just wanted to check that you know this means that we can't tell you about special offers, meet and greets or potential epic baseball comebacks by Nick Swisher. Note that you may continue to receive messages and offers until Nick is voted in to the Hall of Fame 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 hours ago, lpneck said: He had 214 wins and retired at age 36. He would have had to average 13 wins/season until he was 43 (in 2022) to get to 300. I think 250 would have gotten him in on the regular ballot. The future “lock” number for starters will be closer to 250 than 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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