Seby Zavala traded to Mariners (old friend alert)

[WestEddy]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/dbacks-trade-seby-zavala-mariners-catcher.html

So, basically, we could have held onto Seby, and traded him and Jonathan Stiever to the Mariners for Eugenio Suarez? Suarez is only being paid about $11 million. 

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/dbacks-trade-seby-zavala-mariners-catcher.html

So, basically, we could have held onto Seby, and traded him and Jonathan Stiever to the Mariners for Eugenio Suarez? Suarez is only being paid about $11 million. 

Talks about Zavala’s defense being good too. Still strange they didn’t just DFA Grandal at the end of the year since the position is thin but not a big deal I guess.

[Timmy U]

Getz has dumped a bunch of questionable major leaguers and added a bunch of questionable major leaguers in his year zero churn.  I doubt Seby, or Suarez for that matter, would make much of a difference. With Grifol at the helm, this team might lose 110 games.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I doubt Seby, or Suarez for that matter, would make much of a difference.

Fangraphs has Suarez as 3rd best defensive qualifying 3B this last season. Seby seems to be a commodity, defensively apt catcher. Go figure. Suarez at 3B and Moncada at 2B might offer more offense than whatever it is they're conjuring up for 2024. 

 

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Still strange they didn’t just DFA Grandal at the end of the year

Yeah, there's about 6 guys who could be dropped from the 40 man and still be with the Sox in a week. I think the crunch was on the 26-man roster in September, and not the 40-man. DFA-ing Grandal would have been a bold first move for Getz. 

[Bob Sacamano]

Dump Moncada on the M’s in some weird, large multi-player deal that JeDi seems to love.

[SoCalChiSox]

40 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/dbacks-trade-seby-zavala-mariners-catcher.html

So, basically, we could have held onto Seby, and traded him and Jonathan Stiever to the Mariners for Eugenio Suarez? Suarez is only being paid about $11 million. 

The problem with your theory is this....Why would JR pay 11 million for a player instead of like 800k or whatever for Seby?

And if your answer is because he's a legitimate MLB player and might actually help the club in some way, Brooks Boyer will call you a bad fan.

[nrockway]

Seby's defensive prowess (which is good) doesn't balance out his useless bat imo. 47 OPS+ is fucking terrible. seems like Seattle just wanted to save a couple bucks, swapping out Saurez for Urias. That franchise is as hopeless as the Sox in a similar market, larger in the context that they aren't playing second fiddle to a different team.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, nrockway said:

Seby's defensive prowess (which is good) doesn't balance out his useless bat imo. 47 OPS+ is fucking terrible. seems like Seattle just wanted to save a couple bucks, swapping out Saurez for Urias. That franchise is as hopeless as the Sox in a similar market, larger in the context that they aren't playing second fiddle to a different team.

He'll be a fine backup for them I guess.

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Seby's defensive prowess (which is good) doesn't balance out his useless bat imo. 47 OPS+ is fucking terrible. seems like Seattle just wanted to save a couple bucks, swapping out Saurez for Urias. That franchise is as hopeless as the Sox in a similar market, larger in the context that they aren't playing second fiddle to a different team.

Just wait until you see Austin Hedges get a big league contract worth a couple million after a 27 OPS+ last year.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Just wait until you see Austin Hedges get a big league contract worth a couple million after a 27 OPS+ last year.

From the Sox*

Edit: the team that's going all in on defense and no bats.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Bob Sacamano

[Balta1701]

Just now, Bob Sacamano said:

From the Sox*

I thought about adding that detail but there still seems to be a reasonable chance that they trade for Salvador Perez instead.

[Bob Sacamano]

7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I thought about adding that detail but there still seems to be a reasonable chance that they trade for Salvador Perez instead.

I feel like you can see a scenario where they deal Eloy, trade for Perez, and go with 3 catchers with Perez getting a chunk of DH at bats as well.

Would be pointless but a possibility. Also, with Lee having options, he could be looked at as minor league depth and Hedges could be a backup.

I would prefer to just pair Lee up with Hedges (or some other defensive vet) and have Lee start most games at this point though.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Bob Sacamano

[wegner]

34 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I feel like you can see a scenario where they deal Eloy, trade for Perez, and go with 3 catchers with Perez getting a chunk of DH at bats as well.

Would be pointless but a possibility. Also, with Lee having options, he could be looked at as minor league depth and Hedges could be a backup.

I would prefer to just pair Lee up with Hedges (or some other defensive vet) and have Lee start most games at this point though.

Not that I actually watched full games down the stretch this season, but from what I did see Lee made Seby look adequate offensively 

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

Not that I actually watched full games down the stretch this season, but from what I did see Lee made Seby look adequate offensively 

Exactly. There’s a scenario where they bring in 2 catchers and option Lee.

[cuban_sammiches]

My wife and I were at Seby's big game. She asked me about him, I told her he couldn't hit and he hit a home run. Next time up, I mansplained how he got lucky and he hit #2. Third time, I pointed out how lucky he was and he jacked #3. Good luck Seby!

[wegner]

20 minutes ago, cuban_sammiches said:

My wife and I were at Seby's big game. She asked me about him, I told her he couldn't hit and he hit a home run. Next time up, I mansplained how he got lucky and he hit #2. Third time, I pointed out how lucky he was and he jacked #3. Good luck Seby!

I love that story!!!

[Tnetennba]

4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Dump Moncada on the M’s in some weird, large multi-player deal that JeDi seems to love.

Sox would have to eat all the money cuz the Ms seems to be in cost savings mode for some dumb reason. 

[Bob Sacamano]

7 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Sox would have to eat all the money cuz the Ms seems to be in cost savings mode for some dumb reason. 

We can toss in some.

[Balta1701]

21 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Sox would have to eat all the money cuz the Ms seems to be in cost savings mode for some dumb reason. 

Where did you see that about them?

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I feel like you can see a scenario where they deal Eloy, trade for Perez, and go with 3 catchers with Perez getting a chunk of DH at bats as well.

Would be pointless but a possibility. Also, with Lee having options, he could be looked at as minor league depth and Hedges could be a backup.

I would prefer to just pair Lee up with Hedges (or some other defensive vet) and have Lee start most games at this point though.

Why the F--K would Perez get any DH at-bats?

He's as much of a DH as Selby ever was...2-3 games in his entire career comprise 50% of his production like Trayce Thompson this year for LAD.

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Where did you see that about them?

Because they're refusing to consider Ohtani. 

White Sox West...well, actually a much more exciting team at least with Rodriguez.

Edited November 23, 2023 by caulfield12

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Why the F--K would Perez get any DH at-bats?

He's as much of a DH as Selby ever was...2-3 games in his entire career comprise 50% of his production like Trayce Thompson this year for LAD.

Why f*** does this org do anything? Lol

 

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Because they're refusing to consider Ohtani. 

White Sox West...well, actually a much more exciting team at least with Rodriguez.

Nah Angels are White Sox west. Except they spend money.

[Tnetennba]

30 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Where did you see that about them?

They just salary dumped their starting 3B for garbage, what other evidence do you need?

[Bob Sacamano]

9 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

They just salary dumped their starting 3B for garbage, what other evidence do you need?

One making less than $12M.

[Tnetennba]

10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

One making less than $12M.

Exactly.  They dumped a middle of the order bat who played gold glove defense for most of the season just to save a few bucks. 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Tnetennba