Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They must have had a SNEAKING suspicion that Lee wasn't going to be able to hit over .150 again and that all the defensive gaps (other than throwing arm strength/release) were going to be a massive detriment to the young pitching. THAT and the fact that going into the season with a relatively older catcher in Stassi coming off an a "missing" season probably wasn't the greatest strategy...especially if you look at average number of games caught. White Sox better just move back their outfield fences to the deepest Old Comiskey distances ever recorded... Who cares? Play the kid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, fathom said: And then cut payroll below 100 million the following season after attendance implodes once again Come on fathom give us like some tasty morsels on something positive re Cease or Eloy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Stassi has 102, 88 and 87 and 82 games played (the four highs, one from 2022) during his most productive career seasons 31 GP in 2020, so basically half again. Will be 33. Just very skeptical of an aging catcher coming off nearly a full season off at that age, but maybe we'll all be shocked. But it seems they realized that Lee wasn't a realistic option for the start of the year...wanting to avoid getting TOTALLY buried in the standings like 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, HoosierSox said: It's better than trading for Salvy. I mean, true. But that's a pretty low bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Oh Chuck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 1 minute ago, fathom said: And then cut payroll below 100 million the following season after attendance implodes once again “I like the way you think. Interested in a job?” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Lee appears to have one optio. Year remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Oh Chuck... I can certainly see how Garfein keeps his job at Pravda....uh I mean NBCS Chicago. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, Balta1701 said: Who cares? Play the kid. This stupid storyline of attempting to compete on the fly keeps colliding with reality...that youngsters aren't good enough or simply aren't ready. Of course, Getz has NOTHING invested into Lee's success, personally. But if that's the plan, you have to sign a legit RFer and a legit back end of the bullpen option and someone with more pop in the middle infield. It's all pretty much academic if this is the 2024 rotation on the field (current roster), MINUS Cease. It also is a bit ironic that the guy who COULDN'T beat out 2023 Maldonado is still buried behind him on the very worst team in baseball entering the season, going from Houston, arguably the most successful of the past decade, along with LAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, SoCalChiSox said: I can certainly see how Garfein keeps his job at Pravda....uh I mean NBCS Chicago. Our Baghdad Chuck. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, SoCalChiSox said: I can certainly see how Garfein keeps his job at Pravda....uh I mean NBCS Chicago. I don't think Maldonado will actually provide much if any of what Chuck lays out. How much life do his legs still have at 37? Feels more like a mentor presence that should rarely play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Obviously, coming from the Astros, and getting Soroka from the Braves, they'll teach the team how to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Who cares? Play the kid. Agreed. In what will be a losing year, there isn’t any reason not to see what Korey Lee can do. One could argue that Maldonado could be traded at the deadline but realistically a 37 year old backup catcher isn’t going to bring anything back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just for reference, BaseballProspectus graded Maldonado as the worst defensive catcher in baseball last year. That list includes Perez and Lee. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/leaderboards/fielding/ 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 I think this one of two things: Stassi is more of a wild card than many of us think and they won’t to rely on him heading into the season Dylan Cease is going to be traded for young, major league ready arms and there is no bandwidth for a developing game caller 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Just for reference, BaseballProspectus graded Maldonado as the worst defensive catcher in baseball last year. That list includes Perez and Lee. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/leaderboards/fielding/ Yeah, I seem to remember him being pretty awful defensively last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, fathom said: This is going to be the worst hitting team in baseball Yeah but they're gonna throw some serious leather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think this one of two things: Stassi is more of a wild card than many of us think and they won’t to rely on him heading into the season Dylan Cease is going to be traded for young, major league ready arms and there is no bandwidth for a developing game caller I think both of these make sense. The Braves are paying for almost all of Stassi’s salary. The Sox literally acquired him for a minimum salary price. #2 aligns with the rumors that the Sox are looking for a big pitching return, which is going to be annoying if they don’t get two positional prospects back for Cease. Edited December 27, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said: Yeah but they're gonna throw some serious leather. Not Maldonado 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Yeah but they're gonna throw some serious leather. And to what end? All of these great gloves can’t hit and they are all older vets that will not be a part of any winning Sox team. So what is the goal here? Worry about developing defense in your own minor league system. What does acquiring a bunch of old veterans on short-term deals accomplish? So Getz can say, “hey look, I improved our team defense!” in only one offseason? All of these guys will be gone before the next contending Sox team arrives. Edited December 27, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think this one of two things: Stassi is more of a wild card than many of us think and they won’t to rely on him heading into the season Dylan Cease is going to be traded for young, major league ready arms and there is no bandwidth for a developing game caller This makes sense, except Maldonado is probably done as a productive player and won't be helping much on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Yeah, I seem to remember him being pretty awful defensively last season. He was terrible, but once you’ve been declared a solid fielding veteran catcher, old time baseballers never bother to reassess that. It was Dusty’s problem last year and although everyone here understood what Dusty had brought, there was legit frustration because Dusty’s love for Maldonado hurt the team. Getz has done some things so far that I wouldn’t call obvious mistakes. This is the kind of classic, old school, baseball stupid mistakes I expected. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Yeah but they're gonna throw some serious leather. Maldonado can’t throw a baseball to 2b any more so he might as well try throwing that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 He could still be a good game caller even if his D isn’t what it used to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: He was terrible, but once you’ve been declared a solid fielding veteran catcher, old time baseballers never bother to reassess that. It was Dusty’s problem last year and although everyone here understood what Dusty had brought, there was legit frustration because Dusty’s love for Maldonado hurt the team. Getz has done some things so far that I wouldn’t call obvious mistakes. This is the kind of classic, old school, baseball stupid mistakes I expected. The Astros decided to dump Maldonado for Caratini. That’s pretty much all that anyone needs to know. But I’m sure Getz is right over the Astros, haha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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