South Side Hit Men Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 4 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said: This is something that is going to erode regional fandom over time, but I think those revenue streams could be recreated by offering a 30 team package on one exclusive platform, like NFL Sunday ticket on Youtube. I'm sure AppleTV would pay a ton of money to offer one team or league packages, outside of the national games. Also, I think that the loss of regional team money will be made up for by legalized gambling. I agree MLB would maximize Revenue by offering all games including local games, the latter via an additional surcharge for access which MLB would share with the local rights holders. They do by and large share revenue via the revenue sharing program enacted in 1995. The Orioles received $320M in revenue last year between common MLB revenue, significant revenue sharing proceeds, plus what they receive via their TV and Game Day sales, yet spent less than 1/5 of it on player payroll last season ($60M OD, with Flaherty the only legitimate trade deadline pickup). The three teams which significantly broached the 2023 "Luxury Tax" threshold failed to make the expanded playoffs. 2023 Luxury Tax last World Series win $101M New York Mets 1986 $40M San Diego Padres Never $32M New York Yankees 2009 $19M Los Angeles Dodgers 2020 * / 1988 $7M Philadelphia Phillies 2008 $6M Toronto Blue Jays 1993 $3M Atlanta 2021 $1M Texas Rangers 2023 Every single team with shared MLB revenue plus Revenue Sharing proceeds could meet every single World Series championship team payroll, with the possible exception of the 2018 Boston Red Sox, and still earn net profit, plus drastically increase revenue in future seasons based on their championship. Every. Single. Team. World Series Opening Day Payrolls 2000-2023 (The extent of Cot's Contracts' Data) $230Ms 2018 Boston Red Sox ($234M) $200Ms 2008 New York A. L. ($201M) $190Ms 2019 Washington Nationals ($197M) 2023 Texas Rangers ($196M) $170Ms 2016 Chicago Cubs ($172M) 2022 Houston Astros ($175M) $150Ms 2013 Boston Red Sox ($155M) $140Ms 2007 Boston Red Sox ($143M) 2014 San Francisco Giants ($149M) $130Ms 2012 San Francisco Giants ($131M) 2021 Atlanta N. L. ($131M) $120Ms 2004 Boston Red Sox ($127M) 2017 Houston Astros ($124M) $110Ms 2009 Philadelphia Phillies ($113M) 2015 Kansas City Royals ($113M) $100Ms 2000 New York A. L. ($108M) 2011 Saint Louis Cardinals ($109M) $90Ms 2012 San Francisco Giants ($96M) 2020 Los Angeles Dodgers ($95M) $80Ms 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks ($85M) 2006 Saint Louis Cardinals ($89M) $70Ms 2005 Chicago White Sox ($75M) $60Ms 2002 Los Angeles A. L. ($62M) $40Ms 2003 Miami Marlins ($45M) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: I agree MLB would maximize Revenue by offering all games including local games, the latter via an additional surcharge for access which MLB would share with the local rights holders. They do by and large share revenue via the revenue sharing program enacted in 1995. The Orioles received $320M in revenue last year between common MLB revenue, significant revenue sharing proceeds, plus what they receive via their TV and Game Day sales, yet spent less than 1/5 of it on player payroll last season ($60M OD, with Flaherty the only legitimate trade deadline pickup). The three teams which significantly broached the 2023 "Luxury Tax" threshold failed to make the expanded playoffs. 2023 Luxury Tax last World Series win $101M New York Mets 1986 $40M San Diego Padres Never $32M New York Yankees 2009 $19M Los Angeles Dodgers 2020 * / 1988 $7M Philadelphia Phillies 2008 $6M Toronto Blue Jays 1993 $3M Atlanta 2021 $1M Texas Rangers 2023 Every single team with shared MLB revenue plus Revenue Sharing proceeds could meet every single World Series championship team payroll, with the possible exception of the 2018 Boston Red Sox, and still earn net profit, plus drastically increase revenue in future seasons based on their championship. Every. Single. Team. World Series Opening Day Payrolls 2000-2023 (The extent of Cot's Contracts' Data) $230Ms 2018 Boston Red Sox ($234M) $200Ms 2008 New York A. L. ($201M) $190Ms 2019 Washington Nationals ($197M) 2023 Texas Rangers ($196M) $170Ms 2016 Chicago Cubs ($172M) 2022 Houston Astros ($175M) $150Ms 2013 Boston Red Sox ($155M) $140Ms 2007 Boston Red Sox ($143M) 2014 San Francisco Giants ($149M) $130Ms 2012 San Francisco Giants ($131M) 2021 Atlanta N. L. ($131M) $120Ms 2004 Boston Red Sox ($127M) 2017 Houston Astros ($124M) $110Ms 2009 Philadelphia Phillies ($113M) 2015 Kansas City Royals ($113M) $100Ms 2000 New York A. L. ($108M) 2011 Saint Louis Cardinals ($109M) $90Ms 2012 San Francisco Giants ($96M) 2020 Los Angeles Dodgers ($95M) $80Ms 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks ($85M) 2006 Saint Louis Cardinals ($89M) $70Ms 2005 Chicago White Sox ($75M) $60Ms 2002 Los Angeles A. L. ($62M) $40Ms 2003 Miami Marlins ($45M) How did you get access to the revenue and operating costs for every major league team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How did you get access to the revenue and operating costs for every major league team? Forbes publishes solid estimates of both annually. And before one clings to owners talking points and bedwetting about the Dodgers payroll, these estimates are by and large underestimate profits for most teams by excluding non club revenues such as real estate holdings beyond stadiums, MLB team owned RSN network revenue/income and other income streams not included in the Forbes numbers. Atlanta's books are open, the only team required to do so, and even with record team payroll and being net payors into revenue sharing, they are printing money hand over fist. They took in $476M in revenue in 2019, took in a quarter of a billion in Q3 2022, an took in $71M net operating income before OIBDA in their most recent filing (2022 in March 2023), which does not include the $28M additional net income related to their stadium adjacent real estate holdings handed to them by the county at their new stadium. They also benefit as all teams do by accelerated player contract depreciation which exceeds their actual contract cash payments for significant federal and local tax savings, not to mention the collective hundreds of millions in tax free public subsidies annually enjoyed by many teams across MLB, including zero property taxes due on their stadiums and offices. These subsidies would be worth many millions for each team if one could sell these handouts on the open market. Edited December 24, 2023 by South Side Hit Men 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Forbes publishes this annually. And before one clings to owners talking points and bedwetting about the Dodgers payroll, these estimates are by and large underestimate profits for most teams by excluding non club revenues such as real estate holdings beyond stadiums, MLB team owned RSN network revenue/income and other income streams not included in the Forbes numbers. Atlanta's books are open, the only team required to do so, and even with record team payroll and being net payors into revenue sharing, they are printing money hand over fist. They took in $476M in revenue in 2019, took in a quarter of a billion in Q3 2022, an took in $71M net operating income before OIBDA in their most recent filing (2022 in March 2023), which does not include the $28M additional net income related to their stadium adjacent real estate holdings handed to them by the county at their new stadium. They also benefit as all teams do by accelerated player contract depreciation which exceeds their actual contract cash payments for significant federal and local tax savings, not to mention the collective hundreds of millions in tax free public subsidies annually enjoyed by many teams across MLB, including zero property taxes due on their stadiums and offices. These subsidies would be worth many millions for each team if one could sell these handouts on the open market. If you believe Forbes’ numbers, the average operating income was $18M per club in 2022. Only eight teams exceeded $50M in profit and only two are what I’d consider true small market clubs. Doesn’t really support the narrative that most teams are raking in boatloads of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 5 hours ago, ptatc said: Until you see the books, your whole discussion is supposition. Evenso, as was stated earlier what incentive is there when you know you can't compete with the high revenue teams. You said to have a better chance at the playoffs. That's true but the odds really won't improve that much unless they really spend. You like to use JR as an example and look at some of his repvious quotes comparing MLB and NBA ownership. The NBA is much more viable with cost certainty due to the salary structure. The books were opened by agreement during the labor impasse of 1994-1995. A neutral Stanford economist was brought in, examined the books and completely blew up the owners claim they were losing money. The owners swore they'd never do it again. They were shown to be liars and swindlers. Again read The Lords of the Realm which gives specific details on what the economist found and how MLB owners were trying to screw the numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 When you realize that the Dodgers are owned by an investment firm made up of several billionaires, the "owners are cheap" argument is just dead. The game as a whole just isn't big enough, and doesn't generate enough money, to allow multiple franchises to operate in the same way. America's third most popular sport doesn't have infinite revenue. A small group of Sox fans have projected their hate for Reinsdorf in a way that's made them completely delusional, and they're seeking out marginalized sports writers to confirm their bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: The books were opened by agreement during the labor impasse of 1994-1995. A neutral Stanford economist was brought in, examined the books and completely blew up the owners claim they were losing money. The owners swore they'd never do it again. They were shown to be liars and swindlers. Again read The Lords of the Realm which gives specific details on what the economist found and how MLB owners were trying to screw the numbers. 28 years ago? Jesus man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: 28 years ago? Jesus man. There has been enough documented evidence both in fact and circumstantial to show numerous examples of cooking the books, extorting cities and owners lining their pockets. I've followed this game for over 60 years in numerous capacities, I honestly can't understand how ANY fan can give ANY owner the benefit of the doubt. Regarding JR, history clearly shows what his stewardship of the franchise has brought in over 40 years of ownership, that's not a delusion...that's reality and in many cases a nightmare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: The books were opened by agreement during the labor impasse of 1994-1995. A neutral Stanford economist was brought in, examined the books and completely blew up the owners claim they were losing money. The owners swore they'd never do it again. They were shown to be liars and swindlers. Again read The Lords of the Realm which gives specific details on what the economist found and how MLB owners were trying to screw the numbers. But the true discussion has nothing to do with the owners being swindlers or whatever name you want to call them. It has to do with the disparity between them. No matter what you believe from them you can't honestly believe that Kansas City or Milwaukee can compete with LA or NY in an unlimited system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, ptatc said: But the true discussion has nothing to do with the owners being swindlers or whatever name you want to call them. It has to do with the disparity between them. No matter what you believe from them you can't honestly believe that Kansas City or Milwaukee can compete with LA or NY in an unlimited system. The Royals were a play or two and Madison Bumgarner away from two WS titles… That would have put them only behind the Red Sox and Giants going back to 2000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 12 hours ago, ptatc said: But the true discussion has nothing to do with the owners being swindlers or whatever name you want to call them. It has to do with the disparity between them. No matter what you believe from them you can't honestly believe that Kansas City or Milwaukee can compete with LA or NY in an unlimited system. I agree they can't go dollar for dollar, that's obvious...but they can do a hell of a lot more than they are doing to close the gap. And so can the White Sox. But their owners choose...repeat: choose...not to do so. Again get to the playoffs anything can happen, but you have to get their first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I agree they can't go dollar for dollar, that's obvious...but they can do a hell of a lot more than they are doing to close the gap. And so can the White Sox. But their owners choose...repeat: choose...not to do so. Again get to the playoffs anything can happen, but you have to get their first. But again, what is the incentive to close the gap? Even if they close it to 75% they won't be able to compete for the best FA. The best bet for all of the other teams is to build through the draft and with the draft really being a crap shoot, hope they get it right. Anything can happen I the playoffs but unless the high revenue teams are in the same division, they will always ha e the best chance to consistently be there and thus have the best chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) Billionaire propaganda is stronger than any roster built by the Cubs or Sox since the dead ball era. The lone team with open books, $99M latest reported year net profit. This before counting broadcast revenues, before counting untaxed capital gains. Just laid out the fact only two World Series winners payrolls exceeded $200M, one was in 2008, the other 2018. White Sox increased their value despite shitting on fans for 43 years by more than $2B in worth for Jerry and Jerry’s Kids and cronies. Cubs did by $4B just by not taking things to Jerry asshole level. Owners spend billions to buy teams with a Congressional guaranteed monopoly. In a majority of cases hundred of millions in confiscated taxpayer wealth. All 30 are able to receive massive amounts in profits just fielding 26 men in MLB laundry, gain literal billions in non taxed capital gains. But sure, they be broke, been broke since 1876. Edited December 24, 2023 by South Side Hit Men 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 8 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Billionaire propaganda is stronger than any roster built by the Cubs or Sox since the dead ball era. The lone team with open books, $99M latest reported year net profit. This before counting broadcast revenues, before counting untaxed capital gains. Just laid out the fact only two World Series winners payrolls exceeded $200M, one was in 2008, the other 2018. White Sox increased their value despite shitting on fans for 43 years by more than $2B in worth for Jerry and Jerry’s Kids and cronies. Cubs did by $4B just by not taking things to Jerry asshole level. Owners spend billions to buy teams with a Congressional guaranteed monopoly. In a majority of cases hundred of millions in confiscated taxpayer wealth. All 30 are able to receive massive amounts in profits just fielding 26 men in MLB laundry, gain literal billions in non taxed capital gains. But sure, they be broke, been broke since 1876. Who is saying the owners are broke? You just cited Forbes data to prove some point but are upset when it shows the average operating profit for each club last year was only $18M? You can’t have it both ways. Regarding the Braves, what broadcast revenue is being ignored in their profit numbers and what are these untaxed capital gains that they would have? As for the White Sox and the growing in valuation of the franchise, what would $19M invested in the S&P be worth today? And how does an increase in equity value help increase their operating cash flow? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 22 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Who is saying the owners are broke? You just cited Forbes data to prove some point but are upset when it shows the average operating profit for each club last year was only $18M? You can’t have it both ways. Regarding the Braves, what broadcast revenue is being ignored in their profit numbers and what are these untaxed capital gains that they would have? As for the White Sox and the growing in valuation of the franchise, what would $19M invested in the S&P be worth today? And how does an increase in equity value help increase their operating cash flow? The broadcast revenue is reported separately, the S & P investment would be far less for both the Sox and Bulls investments, and when your equity is worth billions, you can easily leverage the equity for MLB internal investments or other acquisitions. The Sox have over $2B in untaxed capital gains. I enjoy a respectful discussion for those which may not agree with my assertions. I have a few questions for you I’d be curious if you can respond. 1. Why would MLB owners be reluctant to share actual audited figures with their partners if they don’t support their corporate owned media narrative that MLB is not a widely profitable enterprise? 2. Why do team acquisition costs vastly exceed inflation over time if these government granted monopoly enterprises were not earning a ROE exceeding most other businesses? 3. Name your financial reasons why small or mid sized market teams cannot compete, listing your assumed revenues and expenses, if you have numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: The broadcast revenue is reported separately, the S & P investment would be far less for both the Sox and Bulls investments, and when your equity is worth billions, you can easily leverage the equity for MLB internal investments or other acquisitions. The Sox have over $2B in untaxed capital gains. I enjoy a respectful discussion for those which may not agree with my assertions. I have a few questions for you I’d be curious if you can respond. 1. Why would MLB owners be reluctant to share actual audited figures with their partners if they don’t support their corporate owned media narrative that MLB is not a widely profitable enterprise? 2. Why do team acquisition costs vastly exceed inflation over time if these government granted monopoly enterprises were not earning a ROE exceeding most other businesses? 3. Name your financial reasons why small or mid sized market teams cannot compete, listing your assumed revenues and expenses, if you have numbers. Number 1, it's their most valuable negotiations chip when it comes to getting a salary cap. "we won't open the books until there is a reason to." Purely a union negotiations tactic. Edited December 26, 2023 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Came here expecting to read about this new pitcher he dodgers signed… instead saw just about everything else under the sun. ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) On 12/23/2023 at 11:20 PM, TaylorStSox said: When you realize that the Dodgers are owned by an investment firm made up of several billionaires, the "owners are cheap" argument is just dead. The game as a whole just isn't big enough, and doesn't generate enough money, to allow multiple franchises to operate in the same way. America's third most popular sport doesn't have infinite revenue. A small group of Sox fans have projected their hate for Reinsdorf in a way that's made them completely delusional, and they're seeking out marginalized sports writers to confirm their bias. My issue with Reinsdorf is the closed club mentality of his hiring process and the fact the idiots he hire can't spend in the right areas. The whole idea that he doesn't spend enough to win is nonsense. He does. Just extremely poorly. Dodgers spent what 1B on these three pitchers. Two of which have a history of arm trouble, one who can't pitch at all coming off TJ for at least another year, and the other has a makeup that suggests future arm problems. Maybe it all works out for them but could easily just blow up in their faces. I don't look at the Dodgers and get frustrated we can't spend 300M on payroll. Anymore than I looked at the Yankees that way. If I was a Yankee fan I'd look at the Dodgers and say why aren't we spending. But there isn't the revenue stream as the 2nd Chicago team to operate anything close to what the dodgers do. In 2022 we operated a 200+ million payroll. My issue isn't payroll it's the stupidity of our front office. There were multiple avenues to get guys this offseason with control and potentially guys who are bounceback candidates either failed prospects like Kelenic and Florial or guys like Oneill we ended up with noone. This is going to make the rebuild even more painful because we aren't signing or trading for guys who are bounceback candidates who could be moved for prospects down the line we are wasting roster spots on veteran trash who either can't play or fodder who are just there to plug holes. For me that is what is most frustrating to be a sox fan right now. Just how completely dumb this team is run. I mean this team is never going to win ignoring the IFA prospect pool, not bringing in bounceback candidates, and signing veterans who are washed. You have to be smarter than teams who spend more but we are literally run near the bottom of baseball. Look at our farm it's ranked 25th in the MLB and that is after the trades before it was ranked 29th via mlb.com pipeline. How do you lose 100 games and have such an awful farm? Do they not realize how barren this organization is of talent not only at the MLB level but comparatively to other MLB teams minor league talent as well. I am just ranting at this point but like I said we are one of the dumbest run organizations in all of sports. Edited December 27, 2023 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 31 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: My issue with Reinsdorf is the closed club mentality of his hiring process and the fact the idiots he hire can't spend in the right areas. The whole idea that he doesn't spend enough to win is nonsense. He does. Just extremely poorly. Dodgers spent what 1B on these three pitchers. Two of which have a history of arm trouble, one who can't pitch at all coming off TJ for at least another year, and the other has a makeup that suggests future arm problems. Maybe it all works out for them but could easily just blow up in their faces. I don't look at the Dodgers and get frustrated we can't spend 300M on payroll. Anymore than I looked at the Yankees that way. If I was a Yankee fan I'd look at the Dodgers and say why aren't we spending. But there isn't the revenue stream as the 2nd Chicago team to operate anything close to what the dodgers do. In 2022 we operated a 200+ million payroll. My issue isn't payroll it's the stupidity of our front office. There were multiple avenues to get guys this offseason with control and potentially guys who are bounceback candidates either failed prospects like Kelenic and Florial or guys like Oneill we ended up with noone. This is going to make the rebuild even more painful because we aren't signing or trading for guys who are bounceback candidates who could be moved for prospects down the line we are wasting roster spots on veteran trash who either can't play or fodder who are just there to plug holes. For me that is what is most frustrating to be a sox fan right now. Just how completely dumb this team is run. I mean this team is never going to win ignoring the IFA prospect pool, not bringing in bounceback candidates, and signing veterans who are washed. You have to be smarter than teams who spend more but we are literally run near the bottom of baseball. Look at our farm it's ranked 25th in the MLB and that is after the trades before it was ranked 29th via mlb.com pipeline. How do you lose 100 games and have such an awful farm? Do they not realize how barren this organization is of talent not only at the MLB level but comparatively to other MLB teams minor league talent as well. I am just ranting at this point but like I said we are one of the dumbest run organizations in all of sports. Thought the farm was 19th after the trades…a more recent update or different ratings servuce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Thought the farm was 19th after the trades…a more recent update or different ratings servuce? I stand corrected. In their lastest ranking for the whitesox moved up to 20th. 20. Chicago White Sox 2023 preseason rank: 26 2022 midseason rank: 26 2022 preseason rank: 30 2021 midseason rank: 30 That is still really awful for a team that lost 100 games. I think fans are massively underrating how deep and painful this rebuild is going to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Thought the farm was 19th after the trades…a more recent update or different ratings servuce? I see 20th on mlb pipeline's midseason. https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2023-midseason-system-rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39193717/yoshinobu-yamamoto-picked-dodgers-even-ohtani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39193717/yoshinobu-yamamoto-picked-dodgers-even-ohtani Compare the quotes about Yamamoto saying he would’ve signed with the Dodgers even if they hadn’t signed Ohtani because they want to win now and in the future, to our moronic owner who declared this all the way back on August 31st, even when he had no reason to… “We're not going to be in any (Shohei) Ohtani race, I'll tell you that.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 On 12/23/2023 at 8:43 PM, South Side Hit Men said: I agree MLB would maximize Revenue by offering all games including local games, the latter via an additional surcharge for access which MLB would share with the local rights holders. They do by and large share revenue via the revenue sharing program enacted in 1995. The Orioles received $320M in revenue last year between common MLB revenue, significant revenue sharing proceeds, plus what they receive via their TV and Game Day sales, yet spent less than 1/5 of it on player payroll last season ($60M OD, with Flaherty the only legitimate trade deadline pickup). The three teams which significantly broached the 2023 "Luxury Tax" threshold failed to make the expanded playoffs. 2023 Luxury Tax last World Series win $101M New York Mets 1986 $40M San Diego Padres Never $32M New York Yankees 2009 $19M Los Angeles Dodgers 2020 * / 1988 $7M Philadelphia Phillies 2008 $6M Toronto Blue Jays 1993 $3M Atlanta 2021 $1M Texas Rangers 2023 Every single team with shared MLB revenue plus Revenue Sharing proceeds could meet every single World Series championship team payroll, with the possible exception of the 2018 Boston Red Sox, and still earn net profit, plus drastically increase revenue in future seasons based on their championship. Every. Single. Team. World Series Opening Day Payrolls 2000-2023 (The extent of Cot's Contracts' Data) $230Ms 2018 Boston Red Sox ($234M) $200Ms 2008 New York A. L. ($201M) $190Ms 2019 Washington Nationals ($197M) 2023 Texas Rangers ($196M) $170Ms 2016 Chicago Cubs ($172M) 2022 Houston Astros ($175M) $150Ms 2013 Boston Red Sox ($155M) $140Ms 2007 Boston Red Sox ($143M) 2014 San Francisco Giants ($149M) $130Ms 2012 San Francisco Giants ($131M) 2021 Atlanta N. L. ($131M) $120Ms 2004 Boston Red Sox ($127M) 2017 Houston Astros ($124M) $110Ms 2009 Philadelphia Phillies ($113M) 2015 Kansas City Royals ($113M) $100Ms 2000 New York A. L. ($108M) 2011 Saint Louis Cardinals ($109M) $90Ms 2012 San Francisco Giants ($96M) 2020 Los Angeles Dodgers ($95M) $80Ms 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks ($85M) 2006 Saint Louis Cardinals ($89M) $70Ms 2005 Chicago White Sox ($75M) $60Ms 2002 Los Angeles A. L. ($62M) $40Ms 2003 Miami Marlins ($45M) The 2020 Dodgers only had a $95M payroll? wow. So at first glance, this looks really spread out but what would an $85-90M payroll in the early 2000's be compared to today? That might change how this looks a little.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, T R U said: The 2020 Dodgers only had a $95M payroll? wow. So at first glance, this looks really spread out but what would an $85-90M payroll in the early 2000's be compared to today? That might change how this looks a little.. Sure, if you ignore it was a partial season and players were only paid a prorated salary (~37% for most players). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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