South Side Hit Men Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He wasn’t flexin last year. Maybe he will this year. He flexed in 2021, was decent in 2022. https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/11/9/22770497/2021-mariners-exit-interviews-chris-flexen I understand people are coming to grips with a $130M - $140M payroll, expecting a lot higher number after the past two years, but this is how it’s going to look until the Sox start acquiring and developing quality players internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, Quin said: Should they even receive minor league deals? Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, South Side Hit Men said: He flexed in 2021, was decent in 2022. https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/11/9/22770497/2021-mariners-exit-interviews-chris-flexen I understand people are coming to grips with a $130M - $140M payroll, expecting a lot higher number after the past two years, but this is how it’s going to look until the Sox start acquiring and developing quality players internally. They’re going to be under 100 come 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The best part is that this isn’t just a flier signing. Bob said he was signed to fill out the rotation. Getz for the win. To quote Ron.... "Getz be praised!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I thought Tim Hill was going to be nadir of how bad the dumpster diving would feel this off-season, but Getz dug deep and found another gear. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He wasn’t flexin last year. Maybe he will this year. Maybe his 4th team in a calendar year will do the trick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Flexen on these h's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Look at all the MLB teams out there. And i picked the White Sox. My life story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, fathom said: They’re going to be under 100 come 2025 That’s possible if they start horrendously like last year, as this will absolutely crater attendance. They need a decent start, be within 5 games of .500 to end May, to draw some fans to enjoy a nice Summer day. 2026 is the earliest I see them having a possible decent young core if a lot goes right. Where the rubber hits the road is how players develop over the next two seasons, and their philosophy of acquiring players and roster construction for a contention window. If it’s the same old same old like the past few decades, then yeah, sign out of Soxtalk until Jerry is gone because it’s never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I feel like I'm living in Whoville with these acquisitions....who? Who? WHO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 What other negative WAR plays are free agents? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fathom said: What other negative WAR plays are free agents? Majority are former members of the 2023 roster. Churning churning churning. Edited December 30, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, fathom said: What other negative WAR plays are free agents? 2024 MLB Free Agents - 2023 White Sox bWAR -2.0 Tim Anderson -1.1 Lance Lynn -0.7 Yasmani Grandal -0.6 Jake Diekman That said, teams have a broader perspective beyond a year. The White Sox received some value (Soroka my favorite of the haul) for -1.0 Bummer, and Atlanta is widely considered to have a smart FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, fathom said: What other negative WAR plays are free agents? Pretty obvious Getz isn’t using any special analysis on these acquisitions. It’s basically who is cheap cuz they are either old and/or sucked last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, wegner said: I feel like I'm living in Whoville with these acquisitions....who? Who? WHO? Flexen is known as the Hulk. Don’t get him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he is angry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, South Side Hit Men said: Flexen is known as the Hulk. Don’t get him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he is angry. Maybe he can pitch better with the Hulk glove on? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Chis Flexen 2021 Age 26 ,179.2 IP , 3.61 ERA , 3.89 FIP, 1.25 WHIP, 6.3 K/9 2022 Age 27, 137.2 IP, 3.73 ERA, 4.49 FIP, 1.329 WHIP, 6.2 K/9 2023 Age 28, 102.1 IP, 6.86 ERA, 6.22 FIP, 1.671 WHIP, 6.5 K/9 Lucas Giolito 2021, Age 26, 178.2 IP, 3.53 ERA, 3.79 FIP, 1.103 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 11th in CY 2022 Age 27, 161.2 IP, 4.90 ERA, 4.06 FIP , 1.435 WHIP, 9.9 K/9 2023 Age 28, 184.1 IP, 4.88 ERA, 5.27 FIP, 1.313 WHIP, 10 K/9 The last 3 years of Flexen and Giolito are not that dissimilar. Obviously Lucas has a longer track record, much better K /9 and more innings. If Flexen had a combined statistical season in 2023 lets say halfway between his '21 and '22 stats he'd be looking at being a decent part of the Mariners rotation in his 1st year of Arbitration in 2024. 1 bad year for a 4th or 5th starer type after 2 years of solid production apparently made him worth a minor league contract in the eyes of many here. Yet Lucas got 2 years and $38M. Is the difference between them over the last 3 years that big of a difference to warrant the vast differences in how some of our fans view Flexen and at least 1 GM viewed Giolito ? I'm real good with this type of flyer. 29 year old starting pitcher with stats in 2 of his last 3 years that would be very acceptable on the 2024 Sox. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Feels like this could have / should have been an milb deal. Not a huge sum of $ by any means, but hard to see the vision. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Feels like this could have / should have been an milb deal. Not a huge sum of $ by any means, but hard to see the vision. I’m guessing that guaranteed dollars are the only thing selling these shitty players on coming here. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, fathom said: He was absolutely awful last year. Wtf are they thinking Coop will fix him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Feels like this could have / should have been an milb deal. Not a huge sum of $ by any means, but hard to see the vision. You can say that about half the signings. Low risk/low reward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 This is crazy. I feel like I'm a Pittsburgh Pirates fan now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: The last 3 years of Flexen and Giolito are not that dissimilar. I saw Gio's $38 mil guaranteed, and I tip my hat, say thanks for the memories. I'm with you, fliers like this are fine. He probably has more prospect than our 40th dude. If Banny fixes him, he brings in a young, fresh arm in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sarava said: This is crazy. I feel like I'm a Pittsburgh Pirates fan now. We'd be in alot better shape with Cherington than this s%*# show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Good thing Jerry hired Getz or else we would have had to wait a year before we got to enjoy these awesome signings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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