Sleepy Harold Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Man…it must be very puzzling to be a Mariners fans right now. And totally frustrating. "If you go back, and you look in a decade, those teams that win 54% of the time always wind up in the postseason and they more often than not wind up in a World Series, so there's your bigger picture process," Dipoto said. "Nobody wants to hear 'the goal this year is we're going win 54% of the time. https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/mariners-president-jerry-dipoto-the-goal-is-to-win-54-of-the-time Edited January 5 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 What does that even mean? ? I guess it’s still not as bad as Jerry saying that going .500 isn’t bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Looks like Seattle is taking on $8 million this season to shed $50 million the next 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Tough luck O's, guess you're gonna have to trade for Cease now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chitownsportsfan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Luis Robert and Julio deserve better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Luis Robert and Julio deserve better. Is this a bad move for the Mariners? They turn Ray into two players that can potentially help them this year. They get back a guy in Haniger who has been a contributor for the Ms before but who wasn't any good last year, and a pitcher who was good a few years ago but not helpful last year. They took Ray's money and turned it into players who are at least on the roster this year and got out of their long-term commitment to him. The Giants get one thing out of this - the player with the highest ceiling. However, that player is coming off TJS done in early May 2023, so it's not at all difficult to see him not even pitching this year, and he's unlikely to give all that much in 2024 if he does make it back. At that level, it's like signing a guy to a 2 year, $50 million deal coming off of TJS, and giving up the other two guys on waivers. Why wouldn't you do this if you were the M's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 12 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Luis Robert and Julio deserve better. M's were on the cusp the final weekend. This offseason has been a slap in the face for fans, and I live thousands of miles away. Can't imagine the feeling locally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Is this a bad move for the Mariners? They turn Ray into two players that can potentially help them this year. They get back a guy in Haniger who has been a contributor for the Ms before but who wasn't any good last year, and a pitcher who was good a few years ago but not helpful last year. They took Ray's money and turned it into players who are at least on the roster this year and got out of their long-term commitment to him. The Giants get one thing out of this - the player with the highest ceiling. However, that player is coming off TJS done in early May 2023, so it's not at all difficult to see him not even pitching this year, and he's unlikely to give all that much in 2024 if he does make it back. At that level, it's like signing a guy to a 2 year, $50 million deal coming off of TJS, and giving up the other two guys on waivers. Why wouldn't you do this if you were the M's? I have no objection to this deal as an M's fan. Seattle has plenty of pitching to cover for Ray, and swapping out his salary for two veterans who fill needs makes perfect sense. Unlike some of the head scratching salary dumps so far this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Is this a bad move for the Mariners? They turn Ray into two players that can potentially help them this year. They get back a guy in Haniger who has been a contributor for the Ms before but who wasn't any good last year, and a pitcher who was good a few years ago but not helpful last year. They took Ray's money and turned it into players who are at least on the roster this year and got out of their long-term commitment to him. The Giants get one thing out of this - the player with the highest ceiling. However, that player is coming off TJS done in early May 2023, so it's not at all difficult to see him not even pitching this year, and he's unlikely to give all that much in 2024 if he does make it back. At that level, it's like signing a guy to a 2 year, $50 million deal coming off of TJS, and giving up the other two guys on waivers. Why wouldn't you do this if you were the M's? The Giants need the money THIS year to make another splash. All about cash flow in 2024. In the big picture…the Mariners continue to go backwards. The Rangers look like they will be even more formidable with deGrom returning, although who knows how his health will hold the second half of 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, caulfield12 said: The Giants need the money THIS year to make another splash. All about cash flow in 2024. In the big picture…the Mariners continue to go backwards. The Rangers look like they will be even more formidable with deGrom returning, although who knows how his health will hold the second half of 2024. This...literally does not change the Giants' cash flow in 2024 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Balta1701 said: This...literally does not change the Giants' cash flow in 2024 at all. $6 million. The difference in Ohtani’s long-term deferral basically amounted to Joe Kelly in the end…fitting under the luxury threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: $6 million. The difference in Ohtani’s long-term deferral basically amounted to Joe Kelly in the end…fitting under the luxury threshold. Look like 5 posts up. They split the difference. https://www.soxtalk.com/forums/topic/116703-robbie-ray-traded-to-sfg/?do=findComment&comment=4556346 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 At any rate…the Giants aren’t going anywhere without another legit pitcher this season. And the Mariners are going nowhere fast without enough offense to keep up with Texas and Houston’s last stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Ray had UCL surgery in May of 2023, right? That probably means he will not be back until August 2024 at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Snowy Demon said: Ray had UCL surgery in May of 2023, right? That probably means he will not be back until August 2024 at the earliest. Correct, and who knows if he has anything to give at all by then. Probably better odds than not that he's a complete loss for 2024, either out or ineffective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Snowy Demon said: Ray had UCL surgery in May of 2023, right? That probably means he will not be back until August 2024 at the earliest. I read All Star break some time this winter, but August wouldn't surprise me either. He won't be ready to start the season that's for certain. Seattle did well to get out of the deal IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 11 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: I have no objection to this deal as an M's fan. Seattle has plenty of pitching to cover for Ray, and swapping out his salary for two veterans who fill needs makes perfect sense. Unlike some of the head scratching salary dumps so far this winter. The truth finally comes out. Not even a White Sox fan. Get the hell out of here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 No question. It was a bad contract to begin with. One of these days, teams will realize that one season of dominance do not make these players worth more than they really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 11 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: Ray had UCL surgery in May of 2023, right? That probably means he will not be back until August 2024 at the earliest. So they're still in it for Snell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, SoCalChiSox said: So they're still in it for Snell? Who knows? Ray is not a factor for 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: Who knows? Ray is not a factor for 2024. This move clears some weak spots off the Giants roster but does nothing to replace them. It does remove a guy who pitched 100 innings for them last year that they'll need to replace, but he only gave them an ERA of 4.88 so it's not like replacing those innings is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I think this proves just how pricey the pitching market has gotten. The Giants are taking a shot at 2.5 years of a former Cy Young winner in his decline phase for $50 mil+ so they don’t have to give someone else $200 mil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I love Rob Ray.....the ex NHL hockey player that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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