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8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Burdi too.

KW started that nonsense with Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda.

Burdi was at least drafted as a reliever, with the idea that a reliever would save their precious 2016 season, outside the top 15. He would have been a challenge to turn into a starter. 

Probably 29 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round had they thought there was no chance of him starting, but they didn’t understand how smart Rick Hahn’s 2016 strategy was. The record of the 2016 team is a true reflection of Hahn’s quality. 

Crochet, to me, was Hahn and Williams saying “we could have kept Chris Sale in the bullpen in 2012. Because we didn’t, we got a 2nd place finish in 2012 and a borderline HOF starter. This was clearly a mistake so we need to fix it to get our 2nd bullpen lefty.”

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Burdi too.

KW started that nonsense with Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda.

 

Joins the crowd of numerous players we likely get nothing back in return for...or negative returns.

Rodon Anderson Grandal Pollock/Kimbrel Hendriks etc. Almost every first rounder other than Burger/Sale. Likely Jimenez/Moncada. 

Cease due to the Sports Guy/Elias Curse.

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On 1/15/2024 at 4:48 PM, Balta1701 said:

I feel bad for Crochet because a professional organization would have tried him as a starter from the beginning in ‘21. Instead he got the Hahn clown show. You don’t draft a guy in the top 15 and treat him this way, this guy with his arm could easily have turned into a top 10 prospect in all of baseball after 2 years in the minors, but Hahn needed his relievers. And if he gets hurt, then there’s time for him to recover before he has to hit free agency. 

Nah,  Crocket was a very weak SP at TN.  He should never have been drafted at #11 with SP intentions.  Not sure where solid RP's get drafted but I'm guessing not even in 1st round.  I remember Hahn got some smirks around the league with that reach.

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On 1/9/2024 at 7:28 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

Man I don’t know how you see a 99% outcome being a top 10 offense with this crew.  Right now, you are starting DeJong at SS, Lopez at 2B, Phillips in RF, and Maldonado / Stassi at CA.  That’s four spots with zero offensive output even if Robert, Moncada, Eloy, Vaughn, & Benintendi are healthy & productive (which in multiple cases are big ifs).  That could change some depending on what they get back for Cease, how Montgomery does if/when he’s called up, and if they add semi-component veteran RF, but right now I’d say the ceiling of this offense is probably closer to league average.

Sox 80th percentile zip outcomes would put them in the top 8 offensively last year.

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On 1/15/2024 at 5:20 PM, Balta1701 said:

Burdi was at least drafted as a reliever, with the idea that a reliever would save their precious 2016 season, outside the top 15. He would have been a challenge to turn into a starter. 

Probably 29 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round had they thought there was no chance of him starting, but they didn’t understand how smart Rick Hahn’s 2016 strategy was. The record of the 2016 team is a true reflection of Hahn’s quality. 

Crochet, to me, was Hahn and Williams saying “we could have kept Chris Sale in the bullpen in 2012. Because we didn’t, we got a 2nd place finish in 2012 and a borderline HOF starter. This was clearly a mistake so we need to fix it to get our 2nd bullpen lefty.”

The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go?

The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him.

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30 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go?

The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him.

No he didn't.

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go?

The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him.

Clearly someone thought he was MLB starting pitcher material since he was drafted in the top 15 and that wasn't an obvious overdraft.

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5. Garrett Crochet, White Sox (18.6%)

It now seems so long ago when we chuckled that the White Sox made Crochet one of the least-experienced Opening Day starters in history, because he has a shining bright spot in an otherwise forgettable Chicago season. (Especially so if you look past a late-April stumble; in his last nine starts, Crochet has allowed only 12 earned runs.) This is all in part due to a newly introduced cutter that’s become the primary complement to his four-seam, but also because the move from relief to rotation came without the usual drop in velocity that we’ve come to expect. When you’re striking out 34% of hitters, that’s a good way to avoid squared-up contact. Even accounting for that, however, Crochet is one of the hardest arms in the game to square up.
 

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27 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I wonder if you slide him to like a once a week program for rest of the season - so more innings but more rest in between? 

His last 5 or 6 starts he's been more 4 seamer, cutter ,sinker than 4 seamer, slider, sinker and it's working really well and has some advantages for arm health . Sliders are generally considered harder on the elbow or shoulder aren't they ? @ptatc

 

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27 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

His last 5 or 6 starts he's been more 4 seamer, cutter ,sinker than 4 seamer, slider, sinker and it's working really well and has some advantages for arm health . Sliders are generally considered harder on the elbow or shoulder aren't they ? @ptatc

 

You echoed my thoughts exactly, down to the tag. Paging the resident doctor.

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