Chicago White Sox Posted January 12, 2024 Share Posted January 12, 2024 On 1/11/2024 at 10:35 PM, ChiSox59 said: Removing contractual status, I am taking AV every single time. Expand I don’t think I would. Vaughn put up a 103 wRC+ last year in his third major league season. I want to believe it’s suddenly going to click for him, but what reasons do we have to feel that way? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 12, 2024 Share Posted January 12, 2024 (edited) On 1/11/2024 at 11:59 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Sox signed Rafael Ortega to a MiLB deal last week. Guess it was missed and figured it wasn’t worth starting a thread. Expand Competition (fodder) for Brett Phillips for Sox defensive backup outfielder. Edited January 12, 2024 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 12, 2024 Author Share Posted January 12, 2024 On 1/12/2024 at 12:17 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Competition for Brett Phillips for Sox backup outfielder. Expand Cornering the market on no risk, no reward guys. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 12, 2024 Share Posted January 12, 2024 (edited) On 1/12/2024 at 12:01 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think I would. Vaughn put up a 103 wRC+ last year in his third major league season. I want to believe it’s suddenly going to click for him, but what reasons do we have to feel that way? Expand All those great character guys rubbing off. Royals’ milk and cookies guys. No porn. No alcohol. Must join FCA to be a part of the one and true Brotherhood. Edited January 12, 2024 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted January 12, 2024 Share Posted January 12, 2024 On 1/11/2024 at 11:17 PM, Sox72 said: Because who gives a s%*# about his college numbers? Expand Because it's the only real comp we have that makes sense since Vaughn barely played in the minors and Busch has barely played in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 14, 2024 Share Posted January 14, 2024 https://allchgo.com/where-will-michael-busch-fit-on-the-2024-cubs/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=where-will-michael-busch-fit-on-the-2024-cubs Quote “He’s certainly going to play,” Hoyer said. “There’s no question. It’s up to Craig where. I think first base is obviously a natural spot for him. He’s played there a lot.” “How the rest of the offseason plays out, we’ll see, but the mindset is that first base is the most natural spot for him.” Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 https://dodgersnation.com/making-sense-of-the-michael-busch-trade-why-didnt-the-dodgers-get-more/2024/01/14/ Suddenly looking much better for the Dodgers one year later...Busch was not exactly going to supplant Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/11/2024 at 10:35 PM, JoeCredeYes said: $25 says Vaughn out OPS's Busch next year, both have to play 100 games or more or bet is null, deal? ? Expand I should have taken this bet. Vaughn still blows and Busch is definitely better. Edited January 22 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/22/2025 at 6:07 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: I should have taken this bet. Vaughn still blows and Busch is definitely better. Expand Yeah you blew it dude. A remarkably close season for two very unremarkable hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/22/2025 at 8:10 PM, JoeCredeYes said: Yeah you blew it dude. A remarkably close season for two very unremarkable hitters. Expand A remarkably close season? Ummm, no… Andrew Vaughn: .699 OPS / 0.2 bWAR Michael Busch: .775 OPS / 2.8 bWAR You weren’t even close. Your boy AV couldn’t even OPS above .700. Edited January 22 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 2.8 WAR vs .2 WAR isn't very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/22/2025 at 8:17 PM, Bob Sacamano said: 2.8 WAR vs .2 WAR isn't very close. Expand Neither is a difference of .076 in OPS. Busch also had 52 less plate appearances than Vaughn last season. Busch would have been the Sox #2 ranked player in WAR after Crochet last season and their highest ranked position player in WAR by far. After three seasons of bad performances, it’s pretty surprising that multiple posters in this thread said they would choose Vaughn over Busch, much less any other 1B. Vaughn is awful, and now he has strung together four straight seasons of bad performances. Edited January 22 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/11/2024 at 6:55 PM, Chicago White Sox said: They refuse to use the word rebuild and at Getz’s press opener Jerry pointed to a desire to win & win quickly being the reason for doing no due diligence and hiring Getz in the first place. Not saying this plan will work, but no doubt they will start adding some B & C tier free agents next year and hope they get lucky. Expand I'm actually surprised ( not really) that you took this stance since it was already apparent by 1/11/24 that they weren't going to have any budget for B and C Free Agents coming off that 101 losses. By the time you wrote this I was posting anyone who believed this wasn't another rebuild was not paying attention and you do seem normally to be well informed. I haven't read the last posts in this thread to see why it was revived yet but found your post interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 5:07 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I'm actually surprised ( not really) that you took this stance since it was already apparent by 1/11/24 that they weren't going to have any budget for B and C Free Agents coming off that 101 losses. By the time you wrote this I was posting anyone who believed this wasn't another rebuild was not paying attention and you do seem normally to be well informed. I haven't read the last posts in this thread to see why it was revived yet but found your post interesting. Expand Must have been in one his occasionally optimistic periods...about 20-25% of the time. Also, Cubs signed utility man Jon Berti to pair with speedster PCA, thought ought to shut everyone up lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 5:38 AM, caulfield12 said: Must have been in one his occasionally optimistic periods...about 20-25% of the time. Also, Cubs signed utility man Jon Berti to pair with speedster PCA, thought ought to shut everyone up lol. Expand He’s usually optimistic until Jerry gives him a reason not to be, which unfortunately is often. Then he rightfully unloads on Jerry. I would say he’s one of the most fair and balanced posters on SoxTalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Josue De Paula and Zyhir Hope, who were each ranked in the top nine MLB prospects at Baseball Prospectus last week, checked in at 47th and 51st on the Baseball America top 100. De Paula last year in January was listed among the 15 prospects who just missed the Baseball America top 100, but by midseason moved into the top 50. Left-hander Jackson Ferris, who along with Hope was acquired from the Cubs in the January 2024 Michael Busch trade, is ranked by BA as the No. 82 prospect, after posting a 3.20 ERA in 27 starts between Great Lakes and Tulsa and led all Dodgers minor leaguers with 145 strikeouts. Ferris, who just turned 21 last Wednesday, won the Branch Rickey Award last season as the Dodgers’ minor league pitcher of the year. https://www.truebluela.com/2025/1/22/24349268/roki-sasaki-dodgers-baseball-america-top-100-prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/11/2024 at 6:30 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: If it is indeed Ferris and Hope... What a weird fucking trade for the Dodgers. That would be like Mena/Pallette/Taylor/Keener + some lower for us right? Expand Oooof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 5:25 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Oooof. Expand I feel like reading other comments on MLBTR or wherever kinda loved this move for the Dodgers as guys who could blow up after the move. Looks like Ferris had a good year in his age 20 season and Hope did for his age 19 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Amazing how the Dodgers pull this stuff off. Hope is drafted in the 11th round (Paid mid-5th round bonus) from high school in 2023 and he's top 100 by early 2025. They're doing it right: find the undervalued prospects who will be top 100 tomorrow. Hopefully the Sox did that with someone like Zavala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 (edited) On 1/23/2025 at 5:59 PM, GreenSox said: Amazing how the Dodgers pull this stuff off. Hope is drafted in the 11th round (Paid mid-5th round bonus) from high school in 2023 and he's top 100 by early 2025. They're doing it right: find the undervalued prospects who will be top 100 tomorrow. Hopefully the Sox did that with someone like Zavala. Expand Well, this is what people said would happen when Andrew Friedman left the Rays for the Dodgers. It's like the Rays philosophy of finding undervalued prospects but also having an infinite budget to sign/keep stars. Edited January 23 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 5:59 PM, GreenSox said: Amazing how the Dodgers pull this stuff off. Hope is drafted in the 11th round (Paid mid-5th round bonus) from high school in 2023 and he's top 100 by early 2025. They're doing it right: find the undervalued prospects who will be top 100 tomorrow. Hopefully the Sox did that with someone like Zavala. Expand I wonder how much scouts are influenced by the hoopla. The dodgers have all these prospects and then what happens to them? I thought Diego Cartaya was “can’t miss”. I suspect Ferris will be a good pitcher no matter what but I think the Dodgers org is better at marketing than it is at player development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 7:07 PM, nrockway said: I wonder how much scouts are influenced by the hoopla. The dodgers have all these prospects and then what happens to them? I thought Diego Cartaya was “can’t miss”. I suspect Ferris will be a good pitcher no matter what but I think the Dodgers org is better at marketing than it is at player development. Expand See NY Yankees for most of the last forty years...seems Corey Seager turned out okay. Will Smith. Buehler was great until he got hurt. Urias until legal troubles. Puig lol. What they do extremely well is finding all those guys like Turner Muncy Kiki Rodriguez Edman and Chris Taylor on other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 5:25 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Oooof. Expand It's important we don't bring light to these types of comments... shhh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/22/2025 at 8:15 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: A remarkably close season? Ummm, no… Andrew Vaughn: .699 OPS / 0.2 bWAR Michael Busch: .775 OPS / 2.8 bWAR You weren’t even close. Your boy AV couldn’t even OPS above .700. Expand First of all, I don't care. Second, Andrew Vaughn is not by boy. Third, .699 is pretty close to .700. Fourth, they're way closer than you're making it out to be and Busch had the benefit of an unsustainable BABIP. Fifth, I don't care. Vaughn: Busch: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) "Q: Do Zyhir Hope and Josue De Paula have No. 1 prospect upside? Mayo: In a word: Yes. Hope has such exciting tools, with an idea of what he's doing at the plate. Boy, was he exciting in the AFL showing off what he could do in all areas of the game. His five-tool potential could easily land him at the top. And De Paula has the chance to be the kind of offensive performer in the outfield where it's easy to dream on him being in the Roman Anthony, Dylan Crews, Walker Jenkins, Max Clark neck of the Top 100." https://www.mlb.com/news/top-100-prospects-list-reddit-ama?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage Edited January 28 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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