Sox looking at building in South Loop

[WBWSF]

Now that the election is over with I can't help but wonder if there is some type of movement towards the new stadiums of the White Sox and Bears. I've always found it interesting that the Block 78 has remained empty all these many years. You would think that something would have been developed there by now.  I've always thought that nothing was developed there  because there is only one way in and out there, from the north. You can't enter or exit there from the south, west or east part of it.

Edited November 8 by WBWSF

[The Grinder]

On 10/25/2024 at 8:24 AM, Kyyle23 said:

Lmao swimming pools and showers in the outfield stands will bring the boys to the yard 

IIRC old Comiskey had a shower in the outfield bleachers. A swimming pool? Where else can you catch a game and work on yr breast stroke? 🤣

[Lip Man 1]

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

Now that the election is over with I can't help but wonder if there is some type of movement towards the new stadiums of the White Sox and Bears. I've always found it interesting that the Block 78 has remained empty all these many years. You would think that something would have been developed there by now.  I've always thought that nothing was developed there  because there is only one way in and out there, from the north. You can't enter or exit there from the south, west or east part of it.

There has been movement, more politicians have said it isn't happening. 

 

[The Grinder]

9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

There has been movement, more politicians have said it isn't happening. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

There has been movement, more politicians have said it isn't happening. 

 

When I think of my tax money spent on lining the pockets of billionaires, I feel a movement 

[caulfield12]

18 hours ago, The Grinder said:

IIRC old Comiskey had a shower in the outfield bleachers. A swimming pool? Where else can you catch a game and work on yr breast stroke? 🤣

Wrigley.

[zisk]

State of Illinois would be better off adding 250 million to any offer made by a new owner for the Sox.

Beats the hell out of helping an incompetent arrogant fool build a new park.

[tray]

On 11/8/2024 at 8:44 AM, WBWSF said:

I've always found it interesting that the Block 78 has remained empty all these many years. You would think that something would have been developed there by now.  I've always thought that nothing was developed there  because there is only one way in and out there, from the north. You can't enter or exit there from the south, west or east part of it.

I think you meant North rather than South. Throwing money at a complicated substandard site with all of the financial and practical entanglements with a self-serving developer would be insane, IMO. The view of the railroad boneyard to the East is awful and as you indicated, there are complicated ingress/egress issues.  Maybe explore other alternatives. As a comparison, look at that rendering of the proposed Bears stadium adjacent to Soldier Field. Anything with a view of the lakefront such as on the former Michael Reese site would be great...if the Sox and ISFA are even interested in relocating from 35th St.

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, tray said:

I think you meant North rather than South. Throwing money at a complicated substandard site with all of the financial and practical entanglements with a self-serving developer would be insane, IMO. The view of the railroad boneyard to the East is awful and as you indicated, there are complicated ingress/egress issues.  Maybe explore other alternatives. As a comparison, look at that rendering of the proposed Bears stadium adjacent to Soldier Field. Anything with a view of the lakefront such as on the former Michael Reese site would be great...if the Sox and ISFA are even interested in relocating from 35th St.

Boy you could just as easily be talking about Jerry at 35th here.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, tray said:

I think you meant North rather than South. Throwing money at a complicated substandard site with all of the financial and practical entanglements with a self-serving developer would be insane, IMO. The view of the railroad boneyard to the East is awful and as you indicated, there are complicated ingress/egress issues.  Maybe explore other alternatives. As a comparison, look at that rendering of the proposed Bears stadium adjacent to Soldier Field. Anything with a view of the lakefront such as on the former Michael Reese site would be great...if the Sox and ISFA are even interested in relocating from 35th St.

Which developer would not be self-serving?

A community trust or charitable organization running the White Sox...like a Green Bay Packers' public stock situation?

[Tnetennba]

Look at this fantastic view of the lake!  Screw the view from Clark & Roosevelt, sign me up for a view of the Metra Electric tracks, that massive empty truck lot, and about twelve lanes of Lake Shore Drive! Let's build on an even smaller plot of land, in a more isolated area, with virtually zero transit access, even further removed from any pre or post game entertainment options! 

There's also the issue that this land is already spoken for, and that the alderman would likely never sign off on the ballpark village Jerry desperately wants someone else to pay for.

Pure. Brilliance.

[greg775]

2 hours ago, tray said:

I think you meant North rather than South. Throwing money at a complicated substandard site with all of the financial and practical entanglements with a self-serving developer would be insane, IMO. The view of the railroad boneyard to the East is awful and as you indicated, there are complicated ingress/egress issues.  Maybe explore other alternatives. As a comparison, look at that rendering of the proposed Bears stadium adjacent to Soldier Field. Anything with a view of the lakefront such as on the former Michael Reese site would be great...if the Sox and ISFA are even interested in relocating from 35th St.

Lack of common sense regarding new stadia floors me. Sox should move to western suburbia and build a nice complex in Naperville or Lisle or Arlington Park if they must. If it's Arlington Park partner with the Bears in a huge Cowboys like complex. Or just stay in Bridgeport and fix up the current stadia. ... This is just as the Royals should remain in their complex with the Chiefs because of CONVENIENCE for fans regarding parking and getting to the games! Moving downtown is so dumb.

[tray]

2 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

Look at this fantastic view of the lake!  Screw the view from Clark & Roosevelt, sign me up for a view of the Metra Electric tracks, that massive empty truck lot, and about twelve lanes of Lake Shore Drive! Let's build on an even smaller plot of land, in a more isolated area, with virtually zero transit access, even further removed from any pre or post game entertainment options! 

There's also the issue that this land is already spoken for, and that the alderman would likely never sign off on the ballpark village Jerry desperately wants someone else to pay for.

Pure. Brilliance.

It appears that you have an obsession with one-upmanship, name calling and targeting. I'll let you have the last word here as I have in the past, but in the future, try to resist the temptation to try to prove that you are any wiser than any other poster here.

 

[Dick Allen]

The fact of the matter is, if the site was a fraction of the money maker the developer and JR claim it is, it would have been developed long ago.

Edited November 10 by Dick Allen

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, tray said:

It appears that you have an obsession with one-upmanship, name calling and targeting. I'll let you have the last word here as I have in the past, but in the future, try to resist the temptation to try to prove that you are any wiser than any other poster here.

 

Aren't you the one pretending that Jerry didn't go downstate to get money for this very stadium project a couple of months ago?  You need to take your own advice. 

[Balta1701]

5 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

The fact of the matter is, if the site was a fraction of the money maker the developer and JR claim it is, it would have been developed long ago.

Thats not how this works? Thats not how any of this works.

This will be a big money maker for a lot of people. If Reinsdorf put in $1.3 billion and the government put in $600 million, Related puts in whatever it takes to build the rest; everyone walks away in 20 years making good money.

It just won’t justify the state putting in $2 billion dollars!!!!!

[greg775]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Thats not how this works? Thats not how any of this works.

This will be a big money maker for a lot of people. If Reinsdorf put in $1.3 billion and the government put in $600 million, Related puts in whatever it takes to build the rest; everyone walks away in 20 years making good money.

It just won’t justify the state putting in $2 billion dollars!!!!!

I don't like Jerry at all but in this climate he'd be so dumb to put any money in the project much less 1.3 billion. With TV networks going broke like Ballys and the world as unstable as it has ever been if you are Jerry you should gladly keep all the money you already have in life and also sell the team and have all that additional money. I wouldn't say everybody in 20 years would make good money at the new stadium project. Not in this economy, not in this world.

[caulfield12]

57 minutes ago, greg775 said:

I don't like Jerry at all but in this climate he'd be so dumb to put any money in the project much less 1.3 billion. With TV networks going broke like Ballys and the world as unstable as it has ever been if you are Jerry you should gladly keep all the money you already have in life and also sell the team and have all that additional money. I wouldn't say everybody in 20 years would make good money at the new stadium project. Not in this economy, not in this world.

Remember, JR owns "only" 25% or so of the team, so his windfall would be much closer to $500 million before taxes.

[WBWSF]

The Sun Times has reported that the Bears are okay with building their new stadium at the Michael Reese site. Looks like there is some movement towards building it there.  If the Bears get their new stadium it seems only right that the White Sox get their new stadium also. Wouldn't the same hotel tax pay for alot of it?

[nitetrain8601]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

The Sun Times has reported that the Bears are okay with building their new stadium at the Michael Reese site. Looks like there is some movement towards building it there.  If the Bears get their new stadium it seems only right that the White Sox get their new stadium also. Wouldn't the same hotel tax pay for alot of it?

I haven't read the article yet, but heard of it. The speculation is that the Bears don't have the money to make Arlington Heights actually happen, so they are open for business for anyone giving them public funding. They had previously deemed the old Michael Reese site unfit, and now they're saying it is. 

The state may get what they want, which is the Sox and Bears working together to make it happen, or no deal.

[Lip Man 1]

A spokesperson for Gov. JB Pritzker said his “stance on the stadium issue remains unchanged regardless of possible locations” — namely, that the Bears should not expect to receive any public dollars for a new home.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/bears-stadium/2024/11/12/bears-stadium-michael-reese-site-lakefront-bronzeville

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

The Sun Times has reported that the Bears are okay with building their new stadium at the Michael Reese site. Looks like there is some movement towards building it there.  If the Bears get their new stadium it seems only right that the White Sox get their new stadium also. Wouldn't the same hotel tax pay for alot of it?

Neither is going to get anything.

[WhiteSox2023]

4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Neither is going to get anything.

Nor do they deserve anything.  Both teams are absolute embarrassments to their leagues.

[tray]

On 11/10/2024 at 5:47 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Aren't you the one pretending that Jerry didn't go downstate to get money for this very stadium project a couple of months ago?  You need to take your own advice. 

Jerry went downstate at the request of Related to see if Gov. Pritzker and  the legislature were at all interested in public funding for Related's plan. None of the Related 78 plan or that substandard location were ever Jerry's or anyone else in the WSox organization or the ISFA.

 

[southsider2k5]

14 minutes ago, tray said:

Jerry went downstate at the request of Related to see if Gov. Pritzker and  the legislature were at all interested in public funding for Related's plan. None of the Related 78 plan or that substandard location were ever Jerry's or anyone else in the WSox organization or the ISFA.

 

Where are you getting this from?  There is zero actual evidence to support anything and all publicly available materials contradict that Jerry isn't on board with it.

[Balta1701]

13 minutes ago, tray said:

Jerry went downstate at the request of Related to see if Gov. Pritzker and  the legislature were at all interested in public funding for Related's plan. None of the Related 78 plan or that substandard location were ever Jerry's or anyone else in the WSox organization or the ISFA.

 

Citation?