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tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/11/2025 at 11:01 PM, 77 Hitmen said: I know I'm wasting my breath on this response, but the article says nothing about the unsuitability of the 78 parcel for construction and doesn't suggest that as the reason why U of I pulled out. That's not to say that we should fork over taxpayer money to billionaire Jerry for a new stadium, but that's not the question here. Expand Correct. Almost any site can be built upon including areas where the stability of the soil and environmental concerns need to be addressed. So what? On the 78, they know what is under a lot of it - an old river bed and a landfill. Not ideal and not cost effective but given all of that, it is still far from an ideal site (most notably ingress/egress issues). So why did the U of I (and earlier Amazon) pull out of the plan to develop that site after millions of dollars (70 million +) were invested in architectural, land development, soil testing, and other Related issues ? I don't know, but it would be interesting to find that out. Certainly any possible future tenant would want to know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 4:53 AM, tray said: Correct. Almost any site can be built upon including areas where the stability of the soil and environmental concerns need to be addressed. So what? On the 78, they know what is under a lot of it - an old river bed and a landfill. Not ideal and not cost effective but given all of that, it is still far from an ideal site (most notably ingress/egress issues). So why did the U of I (and earlier Amazon) pull out of the plan to develop that site after millions of dollars (70 million +) were invested in architectural, land development, soil testing, and other Related issues ? I don't know, but it would be interesting to find that out. Certainly any possible future tenant would want to know that. Expand Amazon cut back HUGE on their building projects all at once. They had plans to build tons of warehouses all over the country. In my hometown alone they had paid to move a parcel of land from county to city, change zoning, acquire land, and such. Then they decided to end almost all of that all at once. This was in the same time frame and a part of the same cuts. In fact Amazon went from getting to headquarters funded in both DC and NYC, to deciding only to do one in DC. When it comes to higher ed, funding has come WAY down since COVID, and might be disappearing entirely, or at the very least, getting cut way back if the current President gets his way. In my lifetime there has been probably a half of a dozen different "world's tallest building" projects which were supposed to happen in Chicago, including one out by LSD which had a gigantic hole put into the ground, and then the funding just died and it stayed exactly that, a gigantic hole in the ground. Block 37 sat empty for decades, despite a million different proposals and projects getting off to various amounts of progress. There were dozens of proposals over the years for new Bears and/or White Sox stadiums, both in the last few years, but mainly over the previous decades in their crumbling old stadiums. I know you self-servingly want to accuse all of the people here as being involved in some vast conspiracy, in which Jerry as some moronic dupe in real estate will never cease to amuse me, but business conditions change major projects all of the time. The same dollars that brought Boeing from Seattle to Chicago, are about to build them a whole new headquarters in Denver. If you pay even a minimal amount attention to this kind of stuff over the course of time, this isn't a huge surprise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/19/2025 at 3:09 PM, southsider2k5 said: I know you self-servingly want to accuse all of the people here as being involved in some vast conspiracy, in which Jerry as some moronic dupe in real estate will never cease to amuse me, but business conditions change major projects all of the time. The same dollars that brought Boeing from Seattle to Chicago, are about to build them a whole new headquarters in Denver. If you pay even a minimal amount attention to this kind of stuff over the course of time, this isn't a huge surprise. Expand I "self-servingly" ? No, I don't have a personal interest in this . lol. The 78 site was/is trash, which is why it has never been developed since it was at the bottom of a river bed and trash heap 100 years ago. The Boeing example you cite doesn't pertain here because the U of I relocated to another site in Chicago. There must have been other considerations at play in that move given the loss of money involved. I would like to know what they were. Have you driven by or around the "78" site and perhaps got out of your car to look at it? I suspect that some who cast opinions here are entirely unfamiliar with that thing. Same goes for Bridgeport around Soxpark which some appear to be unfamiliar with. Hell, I bet several posters here seldom if ever attend a WSox game but they have all kinds of opinions about the stadium and the area. Edited February 19 by tray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 5:32 PM, tray said: I "self-servingly" ? No, I don't have a personal interest in this . lol. The 78 site was/is trash, which is why it has never been developed since it was at the bottom of a river bed and trash heap 100 years ago. The Boeing example you cite doesn't pertain here because. The U of I relocated to another site in Chicago. There must have been other considerations at play in that move given the loss of money involved. Have you driven by or around the "78" site and perhaps got out of your car to look at it? I suspect that some who cast opinions here are entirely unfamiliar with that thing. Same goes for Bridgeport around Soxpark which some are similarly unfamiliar with. I respect others opinions on this topic, except when it becomes obvious that they are talking out of their ass without any personal knowledge or expertise upon which to base their opinion. Hell, I bet several posters here seldom if ever attend a WSox game but they have all kinds of opinions about the stadium and the area. Expand I worked in the financial district for 15 years, and walked that area all of the time. You? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/19/2025 at 5:34 PM, southsider2k5 said: I worked in the financial district for 15 years, and walked that area all of the time. You? Expand You walked that area all the time? I have gone downtown for decades for various reasons, including law school in the South Loop but never had reason to walk the 78. It was not safe to walk in that area back then. Frankly, It's just a drive by now , not a destination, and oh no, no bars. Edited February 19 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 5:44 PM, tray said: You walked that area all the time? I have gone downtown for decades for various reasons, including law school in the South Loop but never had reason to walk the 78. It was not safe to walk in that area back then. Frankly, It's just a drive by now , not a destination, and oh no, no bars. Expand Absolutely. Lunch breaks I walked on most any day that wasn't snowy. Also that's the area where south loop parking was cheapest. But I am glad to see you failed your own test on knowing the 78. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 5:44 PM, tray said: You walked that area all the time? I have gone downtown for decades for various reasons, including law school in the South Loop but never had reason to walk the 78. It was not safe to walk in that area back then. Frankly, It's just a drive by now , not a destination, and oh no, no bars. Expand Sounds like you have no idea how it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Since the Sox will no longer guarantee their rate I will not hold my breath for a new venue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 7:41 PM, pcq said: Since the Sox will no longer guarantee their rate I will not hold my breath for a new venue. Expand Oh, it’s still guaranteed… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 The present ownership has no intention of renewing the lease at the present stadium. I doubt that new ownership will want to renew the lease so it will be curious to see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/19/2025 at 5:48 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Sounds like you have no idea how it is now. Expand I often go to Mannys before games, lol. The 78 is not easily accessible by foot unless you make a dedicated effort and then you are in no man's land. That is why I was asking who has actually been on it....walked on the property...and where did you park to do that. I suspect most people on this forum have not been on that property but only looked at Related's ridiculous renderings. Edited February 19 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 5:48 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Sounds like you have no idea how it is now. Expand Exactly. He made a lame attempt to dunk on me, got his s%*# thrown into the fifth row, and ran back to the land of passive aggressive laugh reactions where he likes to hide after he gets his lunch eaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:17 PM, WBWSF said: The present ownership has no intention of renewing the lease at the present stadium. I doubt that new ownership will want to renew the lease so it will be curious to see how this plays out. Expand The site of the original Comiskey makes infinitely more sense than any alternative site proposed thus far for a new park. Plenty of land to build a great park plus some residential condos (i.e., along Shields and 35th) , commercial buildings, a McCuddy's bar/entertainment strip near where it was, and still plenty of dedicated parking. Train stop on 35th, bus lines, and all major infrastructure for electric, sewer, water and ramps to the expressway right there. Plenty of practical reasons and of course, the 100+ year history of the WSox on the Southside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: Exactly. He made a lame attempt to dunk on me, got his s%*# thrown into the fifth row, and ran back to the land of passive aggressive laugh reactions where he likes to hide after he gets his lunch eaten. Expand I could care less about you dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:46 PM, tray said: I could care less about you dude. Expand Aw, glad to see you care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: Exactly. He made a lame attempt to dunk on me, got his s%*# thrown into the fifth row, and ran back to the land of passive aggressive laugh reactions where he likes to hide after he gets his lunch eaten. Expand All you care about is oneupmanship. It's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:49 PM, tray said: All you care about is oneupmanship. It's a joke. Expand Right, because you jumping into this thread to question my Chicago resume wasn't you trying to engage in oneupspman ship. You dropping your pissy little laugh reacts when someone disagrees with you isn't oneupsmanship, and definitely not a joke. Anytime you want to get back to facts, feel free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltwilliams Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 5:46 PM, southsider2k5 said: Absolutely. Lunch breaks I walked on most any day that wasn't snowy. Also that's the area where south loop parking was cheapest. But I am glad to see you failed your own test on knowing the 78. Expand I live in the South Loop and that 78 location at Roosevelt and Clark is remote, even for people who live in the neighborhood. You must have been quite the adventurer to literally walk a mile from the financial district to this weed-strewn empty lot for lunch breaks. I agree with the other posters here -- despite the skyline views, this location is a pipe-dream for a new stadium. There's a reason why it has never been developed -- even before you get into the costs of a new stadium, just making it commuter friendly would take billions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:53 PM, waltwilliams said: I live in the South Loop and that 78 location at Roosevelt and Clark is remote, even for people who live in the neighborhood. You must have been quite the adventurer to literally walk a mile from the financial district to this weed-strewn empty lot for lunch breaks. I agree with the other posters here -- despite the skyline views, this location is a pipe-dream for a new stadium. There's a reason why it has never been developed -- even before you get into the costs of a new stadium, just making it commuter friendly would take billions. Expand Pretty much anything between the river to the north, 18th to the south, the lake to the east and the Ryan/Kennedy to the west was within my range depending on what my day looked like. A mile out, and a mile back is like a half hour walk at a decent pace. It wasn't the only place I went, but I definitely went. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/19/2025 at 8:46 PM, tray said: The site of the original Comiskey makes infinitely more sense than any alternative site proposed thus far for a new park. Plenty of land to build a great park plus some residential condos (i.e., along Shields and 35th) , commercial buildings, a McCuddy's bar/entertainment strip near where it was, and still plenty of dedicated parking. Train stop on 35th, bus lines, and all major infrastructure for electric, sewer, water and ramps to the expressway right there. Plenty of practical reasons and of course, the 100+ year history of the WSox on the Southside. Expand Let's face it. The Sox are old news, uncool suddenly, a relic of a day gone by. There's no way any new stadium will be built anywhere near 35th and Shields or the south side. The Sox are going to move. The government will make it clear no money and the owners will ultimately get excited about a new city somewhere out there whether it's Tennessee or Seattle or Vegas or ?. The Sox truth be known belong in suburbia. The team had it right when they moved their academy to Lisle. The Sox only hope of being saved would be to build a state of the art, wonders of the world complex out in suburbia. Whether Arlington Park or Lisle or somewhere that makes the best sense in terms of traffic, the Sox belong in suburbia. The north side is Cub. The south side frankly is old and getting older looking. It's rich suburbia where they belong. Too bad it appears the owners are too dumb to consider moving out west. Lisle, Naperville, some huge swath of land that would be best. Naperville has had enough land to build a zillion high schools the past many years. Buy one out and use that type of land. Edited February 19 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:46 PM, tray said: I could care less about you dude. Expand I believe you mean you*couldn't* care less. As you wrote it, you care, perhaps a lot, about SS2k5 (as we all do). Is this really about where someone walks on their lunch break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:57 PM, greg775 said: Let's face it. The Sox are old news, uncool suddenly, a relic of a day gone by. There's no way any new stadium will be built anywhere near 35th and Shields or the south side. The Sox are going to move. The government will make it clear no money and the owners will ultimately get excited about a new city somewhere out there. The Sox truth be known belong in suburbia. The team had it right when they moved their academy to Lisle. The Sox only hope of being saved would be to build a state of the art, wonders of the world complex out in suburbia. Whether Arlington Park or Lisle or somewhere that makes the best sense in terms of traffic, the Sox belong in suburbia. The north side is Cub. The south side frankly is old and getting older looking. It's rich suburbia where they belong. Too bad it appears the owners are too dumb to consider moving out west. Lisle, Naperville, some huge swath of land that would be best. Expand While that argument makes sense for an out of town fan who has never lived in the city, it's odd to hear this from a Brother Rice grad who should understand the roots of the team. Unless, you're trying to spark conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 8:53 PM, waltwilliams said: I live in the South Loop and that 78 location at Roosevelt and Clark is remote, even for people who live in the neighborhood. You must have been quite the adventurer to literally walk a mile from the financial district to this weed-strewn empty lot for lunch breaks. I agree with the other posters here -- despite the skyline views, this location is a pipe-dream for a new stadium. There's a reason why it has never been developed -- even before you get into the costs of a new stadium, just making it commuter friendly would take billions. Expand More accessible than Soldier Field at least. The parking would somehow be figured out. Admittedly i come at things from a CTA oriented view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/19/2025 at 9:26 PM, Fielder Jones said: More accessible than Soldier Field at least. The parking would somehow be figured out. Admittedly i come at things from a CTA oriented view. Expand I would bet on a Metra stop going somewhere over there too since the Rock Island goes right by there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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