Lightly Folded Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So JR is going to step over his buddy Tony and take over Nashville? Not going to happen. Well if Jerry is the Beast he’s made out to be on this site then yes. Watch your back Tony! And if Jerry’s gone, well, it’s “father like son”. Young(er) Reinsdorf will shiv you also. “Nothing personal Tony, it’s only business”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said: Well if Jerry is the Beast he’s made out to be on this site then yes. Watch your back Tony! And if Jerry’s gone, well, it’s “father like son”. Young(er) Reinsdorf will shiv you also. “Nothing personal Tony, it’s only business”. BS. JR is also implying that his family's sale of the team will be to someone who wants them to move. Look at what teams have to go through to move. The White Sox are not even close. The league isn't going to let them move unless there is no option. I'm sure he would more than settle for some upgrades to GRF and his sweetheart deal extending. That's the other thing that is freaking him out. A lot of people, including one former Board member of the IFSA thinks his deal is way too good. And why do they think this way? Because they are right. Edited February 22 by Dick Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: BS. JR is also implying that his family's sale of the team will be to someone who wants them to move. Look at what teams have to go through to move. The White Sox are not even close. The league isn't going to let them move unless there is no option. The team moving is probably the least likely outcome. A new stadium will be built, whether the team is owned by JR or someone else, or the lease will be extended at GRF. On a side note, I think it's humorous we're talking about the Sox, owned by JR, and a possible future team in Nashville, for a group including LaRussa. It's highly unlikely either will be around (or at least competent) to see a new stadium or an expansion team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I hate this thread. Great job, all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, Sambuca said: I hate this thread. Great job, all. It’s pretty dumb for many dumb reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightly Folded Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 15 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: BS. JR is also implying that his family's sale of the team will be to someone who wants them to move. Look at what teams have to go through to move. The White Sox are not even close. The league isn't going to let them move unless there is no option. I'm sure he would more than settle for some upgrades to GRF and his sweetheart deal extending. That's the other thing that is freaking him out. A lot of people, including one former Board member of the IFSA thinks his deal is way too good. And why do they think this way? Because they are right. Well if the deal he now has is “way to good” then the IFSA won’t be extending it as it is and J.R. Isn’t going to accept anything less than what he already has. Out of options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 9 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: When did GR become a shithole? Its better then Wrigley and nobody said it was bad three months ago. Now the consensus is its uninhabitable????? Soldier Field is an embarassment. Comerica isn't much better then GR....Miller Park or whatever it is is equal except for the roof. OK, Sox park has been panned since it opened. Between the angle of the upper deck, it's extraordinary plainness, lack of a skyline view, distance from downtown, and (my personal favorite) the color of the seats, Sox fans hated this place since day 1. It consistently is rated as one one the bottom tier parks in baseball. Granted the remodel fixed some of the problems, but this park has always been looked down on pretty universally. In fact the vocal part of the Sox base has been bemoaning that we didn't do something Camden like until, quite literally, they unveiled a plan to do something Camden like. Weird, right? I definitely won't argue that the Bears managed to go under even Comiskey II's low standards, because they absolutely did, but that doesn't take away from how the base has viewed Sox Park since 1990. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightly Folded Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: OK, Sox park has been panned since it opened. Between the angle of the upper deck, it's extraordinary plainness, lack of a skyline view, distance from downtown, and (my personal favorite) the color of the seats, Sox fans hated this place since day 1. It consistently is rated as one one the bottom tier parks in baseball. Granted the remodel fixed some of the problems, but this park has always been looked down on pretty universally. In fact the vocal part of the Sox base has been bemoaning that we didn't do something Camden like until, quite literally, they unveiled a plan to do something Camden like. Weird, right? I definitely won't argue that the Bears managed to go under even Comiskey II's low standards, because they absolutely did, but that doesn't take away from how the base has viewed Sox Park since 1990. Since forever we’ve been told what a groovy place Wrigleyville is and that Bridgeport is a backwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 The amount of people who seem to be actively cheering for the team to leave is really weird. 12 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: OK, Sox park has been panned since it opened. Between the angle of the upper deck, it's extraordinary plainness, lack of a skyline view, distance from downtown, and (my personal favorite) the color of the seats, Sox fans hated this place since day 1. It consistently is rated as one one the bottom tier parks in baseball. Granted the remodel fixed some of the problems, but this park has always been looked down on pretty universally. In fact the vocal part of the Sox base has been bemoaning that we didn't do something Camden like until, quite literally, they unveiled a plan to do something Camden like. Weird, right? I definitely won't argue that the Bears managed to go under even Comiskey II's low standards, because they absolutely did, but that doesn't take away from how the base has viewed Sox Park since 1990. Don’t forget the rake or slant of upper deck…and the wind screens to keep people from feeling they’re going to fall to their deaths, both near the very front and original back rows of seats when there was no roof/overhang. Dividing quality of services so much between the upper and lower decks, as well as ease of movement, previously…when the park would have to accommodate 30,000+. Sun fields in the late afternoon/early evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: The amount of people who seem to be actively cheering for the team to leave is really weird. That’s mostly directed at Reinsdorf, his family and the way he runs his franchises in what’s supposed to be one of the top 3-4 media markets in the entire country.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 What would have happened to the White Sox if the state let them go to Tampa? God, would they have sucked. Call his bluff. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 7 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: What would have happened to the White Sox if the state let them go to Tampa? God, would they have sucked. Call his bluff. Look at how quickly the Rockies were at least competitive…and the Rays with all the disadvantages in the world nevertheless eventually succeeding. Expansion is usually the better choice. JR ruins things wherever he can meddle. That doesn’t change with geography. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Fans who think a new stadium will be good for the franchise are living in a la-la-land. The Sox are not due to win another World Series for another 69 years. By then, they will be on their third publicly financed stadium. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, Highland said: Fans who think a new stadium will be good for the franchise are living in a la-la-land. The Sox are not due to win another World Series for another 69 years. By then, they will be on their third publicly financed stadium. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Jerry Reinsdorf: Shohei Ohtani's contract scares us As for the real estate question, Reinsdorf said his team couldn't survive in a world in which the Los Angeles Dodgers are giving Shohei Ohtani $700 million: “The economics of baseball have completely changed,” with top ballplayers signing contracts worth as much as $700 million, Reinsdorf said. “At the location we’re at now, we cannot generate the revenue needed to pay those salaries,” said Reinsdorf, referring to the team’s heavily-residential Bridgeport home. A new space in a livelier downtown area with shops, bars and other entertainment venues within walking distance should do better, he contends. Reinsdorf denied that the real problem is poor performance by his team. Even after winning the World Series in 2005, “we didn’t crack the 3 million (attendance) mark,” something that Series winners routinely accomplish. Perhaps at this point we should note that the largest contract Reinsdorf has ever given out as White Sox owner is Andrew Benintendi's five-year, $75 million extension. Reinsdorf is clearly implying that his team would be able to play with the heavy hitters if it had that real estate income, which is something you will have to just trust him on. The Washington Nationals have also never cracked 3 million in attendance, but they've still paid out some massive contracts, such as those of Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg. The Houston Astros cracked 3 million for the first time since 2007 last year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Jerry Reinsdorf: Chicago must be prepared for the death of Jerry Reinsdorf Reinsdorf takes a somewhat original route on the point of possibly moving elsewhere, but that might be due only to the fact that he already played this card in the 1980s, when he was pushing for funding for what became Guaranteed Rate Field, the stadium he is now trying to leave. You see, the reason the government should give Reinsdorf $1 billion is that Reinsdorf will likely die soon, and he just doesn't know what those other billionaires will do when he's gone: Noting that he’s about to turn 88, Reinsdorf said that “when I’m gone,” his son Michael Reinsdorf, president of the Chicago Bulls, which the family also owns, “will have an obligation to do what’s best” for other investors in the Sox. “That likely means putting the team up for sale ... The team will be worth more out of town.” And that's pretty much the game. The White Sox want more money and are offering the carrot of even more money going back to Chicago if they get it and the stick of becoming, let's say, the Nashville White Sox if they don't. https://sports.yahoo.com/jerry-reinsdorf-attempts-to-explain-why-the-white-sox-should-get-1-billion-for-new-stadium-015643813.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 This guy has contributed to BP for 20 years. He kind of debunks a lot of what JR is saying. https://www.fieldofschemes.com/ 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 The owner of the Phoenix Suns Matt Ishbia sounds like a good candidate as next owner. If the next owner is an asshole like JR they could move it he is a decent human being they will have success. Someone needs to show the Gavin Sheets playoff highlight and then ask, WTF are you talking about. The last three years have shown JR to be an embarrassment, this last two days even more so. He and Hahn cannot go away soon enough. Thankfully Hahn is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightly Folded Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: This guy has contributed to BP for 20 years. He kind of debunks a lot of what JR is saying. https://www.fieldofschemes.com/ So if Nashville does not get an expansion team, as the article indicated could happen , then it would work out great for a new white Sox ownership group (or Reinsdorf JR.) to move there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: The owner of the Phoenix Suns Matt Ishbia sounds like a good candidate as next owner. And his brother Justin is local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said: So if Nashville does not get an expansion team, as the article indicated could happen , then it would work out great for a new white Sox ownership group (or Reinsdorf JR.) to move there. How is that what you took from the piece? Nashville will get a team eventually. It won't be the White Sox. Their value & annual revenue would immediately drop if they left Chicago. No one is buying a team with a top 15 valuation to move them. You would need such a significant discount (A's level value) for that to make any sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) Most folks are aware of the dubious claims made about the economic benefits of public financing for sports stadiums/arenas. Biggest issue tends to be that while there is undeniably significant economic activity generated by a new ballpark, there is lots of economic activity with any investment of that size into a similar plot of land. Jerry's best argument here, IMO, is that this is not true about the 78. For the reasons discussed previously ITT, as best as I can tell the 78 has somewhat limited options in terms of what kinds of stuff you could build there due to the ground it's on, the stuff that is built near it, etc. And there's some proof in the pudding too: there's literally nothing there! Crazy that an area right in the heart of Chicago is completely undeveloped. I think it's at least a plausible argument that nothing useful may happen there if the Sox don't get a stadium there. If so, this is a matter of adding economic activity to the city rather than just prioritizing a baseball field over some other form of development. It's unclear to me how far he can get with the line of argument that the Sox may end up leaving town if they don't get a good stadium deal. It sure seems like many stakeholders including Sox fans, are happy to tell the team to f*** off and go play in some other city. Maybe it's the Cubs' world and we're just living in it. Edited February 22 by Jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightly Folded Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, soxfan18 said: How is that what you took from the piece? Nashville will get a team eventually. It won't be the White Sox. Their value & annual revenue would immediately drop if they left Chicago. No one is buying a team with a top 15 valuation to move them. You would need such a significant discount (A's level value) for that to make any sense. Why wouldn’t they move to a city that would provide them with a new stadium and partial ownership of those things within an accompanying entertainment area, (restaurants, bars, legal gambling parlors, hotel(s) and whatever. That’s how the money is made not in some backwater neighborhood like Bridgeport that has nothing else going for it except 81 baseball games a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 https://soxmachine.com/2024/02/jerry-reinsdorf-white-sox-relocation-threats/ https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2024/02/21/white-sox-new-stadium-south-loop-78-city-funding-mayor-brandon-johnson-hotel-sales-tax-tif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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