ptatc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Balta1701 said: I don't know this for sure, but I think there's a pretty strong case to be made to do it for both sides. If you're convinced that "moderate damage is very likely to lead to the surgery", and you find a guy who has moderate damage to the point of elbow soreness, getting it done would be the quickest way to get the guy back. If you wait 6 months, and the guy needs the surgery anyway, you have wasted 6 months or more of the guy's career and delayed his rehab by 6 months or more. This could cost the team use of a pre-arbitration player, and could cost the player performance before they hit free agency. The physical tests and imaging will determine the extent of the damage and that's what the decision is based upon. But just to say "any issue with the elbow and we'll go to surgery" is borderline malpractice. The decision should not be based on what it will do to his career and team but what is best for the patient. Who cares if he misses time because conservative care doesn't work. There are many possible complications from surgery that should be avoided except as the last resort. The health of the patient is the primary concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 the Romy era sure was fun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 24 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: the Romy era sure was fun I will say Getz is churning the 40 man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sleepy Harold said: the Romy era sure was fun It’s a one-year, $4 million contract with a mutual option for $6 million (and $1.5 million buyout) for 2025. Anyone surprised they paid a reliever this much? Also, the Sox scouting department thought Romy could be a starter at 2B at one time, didn’t they? Edited January 26 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It’s a one-year, $4 million contract with a mutual option for $6 million (and $1.5 million buyout) for 2025. Anyone surprised they paid a reliever this much? Also, the Sox scouting department thought Romy could be a starter at 2B at one time, didn’t they? I'll take this kind of deal all day compared to what they've given relief pitchers in the past. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It’s a one-year, $4 million contract with a mutual option for $6 million (and $1.5 million buyout) for 2025. Anyone surprised they paid a reliever this much? Also, the Sox scouting department thought Romy could be a starter at 2B at one time, didn’t they? Romy basically died from injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It’s a one-year, $4 million contract with a mutual option for $6 million (and $1.5 million buyout) for 2025. Anyone surprised they paid a reliever this much? Also, the Sox scouting department thought Romy could be a starter at 2B at one time, didn’t they? You’re forgetting Remillard and Jose Rodriguez promoted in the same way… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 He'll pass through waivers not get picked up and return to the Sox organization like a bunch of other guys this off-season have done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: I will say Getz is churning the 40 man. Over half the 40 Man in just over five months counting the three players both acquired and released, Changes since the jump: 8/22/23 - 1/26/24 16 Total Chris Getz 40 Man Roster Player Acquisitions Free Agent Signings 12/13/23 SP Erick Fedde (31) 12/28/23 RP Tim Hill (33) 12/30/23 SP Chris Flexen (29) 1/5/24 C Martin Maldonado (37) 1/26/24 SP/RP John Brebbia (33) Promotions 11/14/23 SP Jake Eder (26) 11/14/23 SP Cristian Mena (22) 12/20/23 SP Josimar Cousin (25) Rule 5 Draft 12/6/23 SP Shane Drohan (25) - Boston Red Sox Trades 11/16/23 SS Braden Shewmake (27) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SP Michael Soroka (27) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SP Jared Shuster (26) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SS Nicky Lopez (29) - Atlanta 11/28/23 SS Paul DeJong (31) - Atlanta 12/9/23 C Max Stassi (32) - Atlanta Waiver Claims 10/3/23 RP Alex Speas (26) - Texas Rangers 19 Total 40 Man Roster Player Removals (DFA/Demotions/Players Electing FA) 8/25/23 RP Brent Honeywell (29) 9/4/23 C Seby Zavala (31) 11/2/23 C Yasmani Grandal (36) 112/23 RP Bryan Shaw (37) 11/2/23 SS Elvis Andrus (36) 11/3/23 OF Clint Frazier (30) 11/3/23 OF Trayce Thompson (33) 11/3/23 RP Liam Hendriks (35) 11/3/23 SP Mike Clevinger (34) 11/4/23 SS Tim Anderson (31) 11/16/23 RP Aaron Bummer (31) 11/28/23 CF Adam Haseley (28) 11/30/23 RP Nicholas Padilla (28) 12/8/23 RP Edgar Navarro (25) 12/20/23 RP Luis Patino (24) 12/28/23 RP Declan Cronin (26) 12/30/23 C Carlos Perez (27) 1/5/24 3B Zach Remillard (29) 1/26/24 3B Romy Gonzalez (27) 3 Total Chris Getz 40 Man Roster Players In-n-Out In 9/26/23 Out 10/3/23 Tyler Naquin (33) In 9/9/23 Out 11/2/23 Jose Urena (33) In 9/5/23 Out 12/13/23 RP Yohan Ramirez (29) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 13 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Over half the 40 Man in just over five months counting the three players both acquired and released, Changes since the jump: 8/22/23 - 1/26/24 16 Total Chris Getz 40 Man Roster Player Acquisitions Free Agent Signings 12/13/23 SP Erick Fedde (31) 12/28/23 RP Tim Hill (33) 12/30/23 SP Chris Flexen (29) 1/5/24 C Martin Maldonado (37) 1/26/24 SP/RP John Brebbia (33) Promotions 11/14/23 SP Jake Eder (26) 11/14/23 SP Cristian Mena (22) 12/20/23 SP Josimar Cousin (25) Rule 5 Draft 12/6/23 SP Shane Drohan (25) - Boston Red Sox Trades 11/16/23 SS Braden Shewmake (27) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SP Michael Soroka (27) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SP Jared Shuster (26) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SS Nicky Lopez (29) - Atlanta 11/28/23 SS Paul DeJong (31) - Atlanta 12/9/23 C Max Stassi (32) - Atlanta Waiver Claims 10/3/23 RP Alex Speas (26) - Texas Rangers 19 Total 40 Man Roster Player Removals (DFA/Demotions/Players Electing FA) 8/25/23 RP Brent Honeywell (29) 9/4/23 C Seby Zavala (31) 11/2/23 C Yasmani Grandal (36) 112/23 RP Bryan Shaw (37) 11/2/23 SS Elvis Andrus (36) 11/3/23 OF Clint Frazier (30) 11/3/23 OF Trayce Thompson (33) 11/3/23 RP Liam Hendriks (35) 11/3/23 SP Mike Clevinger (34) 11/4/23 SS Tim Anderson (31) 11/16/23 RP Aaron Bummer (31) 11/28/23 CF Adam Haseley (28) 11/30/23 RP Nicholas Padilla (28) 12/8/23 RP Edgar Navarro (25) 12/20/23 RP Luis Patino (24) 12/28/23 RP Declan Cronin (26) 12/30/23 C Carlos Perez (27) 1/5/24 3B Zach Remillard (29) 1/26/24 3B Romy Gonzalez (27) 3 Total Chris Getz 40 Man Roster Players In-n-Out In 9/26/23 Out 10/3/23 Tyler Naquin (33) In 9/9/23 Out 11/2/23 Jose Urena (33) In 9/5/23 Out 12/13/23 RP Yohan Ramirez (29) Thanks for pulling this data together. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Current 40 Man Roster 24 Pitchers Starters (9): D. Cease (28); J. Cousin (25); S. Drohan (25); J. Eder (25); E. Fedde (30); M. Kopech (27); C. Mena (21); J. Shuster (25); M. Soroka (26) Swing (7): J. Brebbia (33); G. Crochet (24); C. Flexen (29); D. Garcia (24); D. Martin (27); J. Scholtens (29); T. Toussaint (27). Relief (8): T. Banks (32); M. Foster (28); T. Hill (33); J. Lambert (29); S. Peralta (25); L. Ramsey (27); G. Santos (24); A. Speas (25). 16 Position Players Catchers (3): K. Lee (25); M. Maldonado (37); M. Stassi (32). Infielders (8): P. DeJong (30); N. Lopez (28); Y. Moncada (28); B. Ramos (21); J. Rodriguez (22); B. Shewmake (26); L. Sosa (24); A. Vaughn (25). Outfielders (3): A. Benintendi (29); O. Colas (25); L. Robert Jr. (26). Designated Hitters (2): E. Jimenez (27); G. Sheets (27). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 50 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Current 40 Man Roster 24 Pitchers Starters (9): D. Cease (28); J. Cousin (25); S. Drohan (25); J. Eder (25); E. Fedde (30); M. Kopech (27); C. Mena (21); J. Shuster (25); M. Soroka (26) Swing (7): J. Brebbia (33); G. Crochet (24); C. Flexen (29); D. Garcia (24); D. Martin (27); J. Scholtens (29); T. Toussaint (27). Relief (8): T. Banks (32); M. Foster (28); T. Hill (33); J. Lambert (29); S. Peralta (25); L. Ramsey (27); G. Santos (24); A. Speas (25). 16 Position Players Catchers (3): K. Lee (25); M. Maldonado (37); M. Stassi (32). Infielders (8): P. DeJong (30); N. Lopez (28); Y. Moncada (28); B. Ramos (21); J. Rodriguez (22); B. Shewmake (26); L. Sosa (24); A. Vaughn (25). Outfielders (3): A. Benintendi (29); O. Colas (25); L. Robert Jr. (26). Designated Hitters (2): E. Jimenez (27); G. Sheets (27). That outfield depth chart is something 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: That outfield depth chart is something I saw recently that the Braves only have 12 position players on their 40-man (which I think changed today with a trade). Thats impressive this late in the off-season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Over half the 40 Man in just over five months counting the three players both acquired and released, Changes since the jump: 8/22/23 - 1/26/24 16 Total Chris Getz 40 Man Roster Player Acquisitions Free Agent Signings 12/13/23 SP Erick Fedde (31) 12/28/23 RP Tim Hill (33) 12/30/23 SP Chris Flexen (29) 1/5/24 C Martin Maldonado (37) 1/26/24 SP/RP John Brebbia (33) Promotions 11/14/23 SP Jake Eder (26) 11/14/23 SP Cristian Mena (22) 12/20/23 SP Josimar Cousin (25) Rule 5 Draft 12/6/23 SP Shane Drohan (25) - Boston Red Sox Trades 11/16/23 SS Braden Shewmake (27) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SP Michael Soroka (27) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SP Jared Shuster (26) - Atlanta 11/16/23 SS Nicky Lopez (29) - Atlanta 11/28/23 SS Paul DeJong (31) - Atlanta 12/9/23 C Max Stassi (32) - Atlanta Waiver Claims 10/3/23 RP Alex Speas (26) - Texas Rangers 19 Total 40 Man Roster Player Removals (DFA/Demotions/Players Electing FA) 8/25/23 RP Brent Honeywell (29) 9/4/23 C Seby Zavala (31) 11/2/23 C Yasmani Grandal (36) 112/23 RP Bryan Shaw (37) 11/2/23 SS Elvis Andrus (36) 11/3/23 OF Clint Frazier (30) 11/3/23 OF Trayce Thompson (33) 11/3/23 RP Liam Hendriks (35) 11/3/23 SP Mike Clevinger (34) 11/4/23 SS Tim Anderson (31) 11/16/23 RP Aaron Bummer (31) 11/28/23 CF Adam Haseley (28) 11/30/23 RP Nicholas Padilla (28) 12/8/23 RP Edgar Navarro (25) 12/20/23 RP Luis Patino (24) 12/28/23 RP Declan Cronin (26) 12/30/23 C Carlos Perez (27) 1/5/24 3B Zach Remillard (29) 1/26/24 3B Romy Gonzalez (27) 3 Total Chris Getz 40 Man Roster Players In-n-Out In 9/26/23 Out 10/3/23 Tyler Naquin (33) In 9/9/23 Out 11/2/23 Jose Urena (33) In 9/5/23 Out 12/13/23 RP Yohan Ramirez (29) Remember when Burger at 26 was too old for the next competitive window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Remember when Burger at 26 was too old for the next competitive window? You mean right now? Yes I remember right now. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You mean right now? Yes I remember right now. Yet almost every acquisition this offseason is the same age or older… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Yet almost every acquisition this offseason is the same age or older… And literally none of them are expected to contribute directly to a competitive white Sox team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: And literally none of them are expected to contribute directly to a competitive white Sox team. They are clearly just trying to field a team to get through the season. Competitive my rear end...LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: They are clearly just trying to field a team to get through the season. Competitive my rear end...LOL I don't know how people take that seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: And literally none of them are expected to contribute directly to a competitive white Sox team. Which means they are four years away and maybe three if they’re extremely lucky and a lot of breaks go their way with prospect development and 2024-25 drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2024 at 3:17 PM, Sleepy Harold said: the Romy era sure was fun Romy the Brief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2024 at 7:43 PM, Chicago White Sox said: That outfield depth chart is something There is no OF depth chart. We keep spending on relievers and not on every day position players like RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2024 at 7:45 PM, caulfield12 said: Remember when Burger at 26 was too old for the next competitive window? To be fair, Burger will be turning 28 to start the season in April. But why you would allow your outgoing front office to swing highly impactful trades before they are canned still makes zero sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, hankchifan said: There is no OF depth chart. We keep spending on relievers and not on every day position players like RF. I think they will sign a low cost ($2M-$5M) RF before ST once players have no other options. Hicks would be the likely scenario if he had any interest since he is only due $740k, but I don’t see him bothering since he will be paid to stay at home. Merrifield is scary for regular OF play. Duvall would be a good selection since he can adequately fill in defensively in CF for Robert off days. Anything but Sheets manning a glove will work at this point until Colas is possibly ready later this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 57 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: I think they will sign a low cost ($2M-$5M) RF before ST once players have no other options. Hicks would be the likely scenario if he had any interest since he is only due $740k, but I don’t see him bothering since he will be paid to stay at home. Merrifield is scary for regular OF play. Duvall would be a good selection since he can adequately fill in defensively in CF for Robert off days. Anything but Sheets manning a glove will work at this point until Colas is possibly ready later this year. "White Sox fans...you'll get nothing and like it!" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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